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By Selwyn Duke

If ever there was a man who was out of his depth, it’s biologist Richard Dawkins.  For those who don’t know, Dawkins is a standard bearer for the atheist movement.  He travels around the world arguing against faith, intelligent design, and just about anything indicating even in some tangential way that something may exist beyond the material fold.  It’s a bizarre obsession, really, and I can assure you that what lies at the heart of it isn’t at all scientific, but emotional.  But more on that at another time.

Dawkins is out of his depth for the same reason many scientists are when commenting on such matters: Having a great scientific mind often isn’t synonymous with possession of a great philosophical one.  Yet, being highly intelligent, "great" scientists (supposedly, anyway), they overestimate themselves.  They lack humility and wisdom and fail to recognize that, as an old commercial pointed out, just because you’re good at one thing, doesn’t mean you’re good at everything.   

Consequently, Dawkins often makes very foolish statements.  One was in this Washington Times article, in which the scientist questions whether or not Harry Potter books and other fantasies written for children might have a pernicious effect.  Said he:

"Whether that has a pernicious effect, I don’t know.  Looking back to my own childhood, the fact that
so many of the stories I read allowed the possibility of frogs turning
into princes, whether that has a sort of insidious effect on
rationality, I’m not sure.  Perhaps it’s something for research."

In saying this, Dawkins contradicts his own world view.  By subscribing to classical evolution, he tacitly admits he essentially does believe that frogs can turn into princes.  In fact, he believes in something as miraculous as any creation story, that a single-cell organism turned into man.

If he would say in response that it is not at all the same thing because evolution took billions of years, he is not just wanting as a philosopher but perhaps also as a scientist.  For scientists tell us just what the best theologians do, which is that time is an invention of man; the latter would say that "God is outside of time," whereas Albert Einstein once called time ". . . a handy illusion."  Thus, whether an event occurs quickly or slowly is irrelevant.  (I treated this in a soon-to-be-published piece on evolution for the New American — the December issue, I believe.)  The great philosopher G.K. Chesterton once addressed this in a very profound way, writing:

An event is not any more intrinsically intelligible or unintelligible
because of the pace at which it moves. For a man who does not believe in a
miracle, a slow miracle would be just as incredible as a swift one. The Greek
witch may have turned sailors to swine with a stroke of the wand. But to see a
naval gentleman of our acquaintance looking a little more like a pig every day,
till he ended with four trotters and a curly tail, would not be any more soothing
. . . .  The medieval wizard may have
flown through the air from the top of a tower; but to see an old gentleman
walking through the air, in a leisurely and lounging manner, would still seem
to call for some explanation. Yet there runs through all the rationalistic
treatment of history this curious and confused idea that difficulty is avoided,
or even a mystery eliminated, by dwelling on mere delay or on something dilatory
in the process of things . . . . The ultimate question is why [things] go at
all; and anybody who really understands that question will know that it always
has been and always will be a religious question; or at any a rate a philosophical
or metaphysical question. And most certainly he will not think the question
answered by some substitution of gradual for abrupt change.

Dawkins descended into even greater silliness when interviewed by Ben Stein for the documentary Expelled.  When Stein asked him how life originated to begin with — something evolution cannot explain — Dawkins admitted that he didn’t know and theorized, get this, that perhaps highly-evolved aliens (not the Mexican kind) were responsible.  Stein’s comeback was ingenius; without missing a beat, he said he had no idea that Dawkins believed in intelligent design.

But Dawkins’ musing was anything but ingenius.  After all, even if such aliens exist, citing them doesn’t bring us any closer to answering the question at hand.  For we would still have to ask, from where did the aliens come?  How did this life originate?  You might as well, when asked where life comes from, just respond, "From its parents."

Of course, a secularist may counter that we can’t explain where God comes from, but my response is simple.  Christianity may not be able to explain whence the divine comes, but it does explain the origin of life.  No materialist creed can even explain the latter.  Thus, you may disagree with the Christian explanation, but there is something that cannot be denied:

As far as the truly important matters go — the origin of life, the nature of right and wrong (consider reading the linked piece) — Christianity explains far more than evolution does.   

               © 2008 Selwyn Duke — All Rights Reserved

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45 responses to “Atheist Richard Dawkins’ Fairytale Thinking”

  1. bobxxxx Avatar

    “In fact, he believes in something as miraculous as any creation story, that a single-cell organism turned into man.”
    To an uneducated person like yourself it might seem like a miracle that a simple living cell could eventually, after more than 3,000 million years, evolve and branch out into the millions of species alive today, including the human ape species, but this is what happened, and all biologists, not just Dawkins, knows that’s what happened because of the evidence, especially the extremely powerful and undeniable evidence from molecular biology and genetics which you know nothing about. You know nothing about biology but for some reason you think your total ignorance of science is equal to the knowledge of the entire scientific community. Well, guess what, your ignorance is not equal to knowledge. You know nothing and biologists laugh at people like you for the same reason they laugh at flat-earthers.
    So believe in your magic fairy if you want, but when it comes to science which you know nothing about, I suggest you shut up about it unless you enjoy disgracing your religion and being laughed at.

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  2. Sevin Avatar
    Sevin

    you, sir or madam, are mistaken…to put it nicely. totally incorrect. what lies behind Dawkins’ passion about the subject of your uninformed opinion is called REASON…critical thinking, logic, science, fact and proof. your side has nothing. nada. zilch. zero. your side relies on FAITH. look it up, as you don’t seem to know the meaning. your side can never prove anything. your side ALWAYS loses ALL the debates.
    i think many superstitious believers don’t understand why some atheists, Dawkins included, have a short fuse when it comes to this subject. it is because intelligent, informed, educated individuals find it difficult to lower their intellect to such a juvenile level and discuss topics like talking snakes and walking on water.
    your side is superstitious and believes in the supernatural…miracles and magic. you believe that a book of fiction, written by barbarians nearly 2000 years ago, in the middle-east yet, where their culture is still barbaric, to be true. that’s all fine, but you believe all this on FAITH.
    there is absolutely no proof of any of any of it. no proof that Jesus Christ ever even existed. indeed the tale of a virgin birth around the winter solstice are many and go back WAY before the Christ child, which eludes to it not even being original. many believe that he is a fictional character.
    so if you find solace in childish superstitions and fairy tales and it makes you a better person or makes you feel better…then good for you! but please refrain from insulting the intelligence of Dawkins and the rest of us who base our lives on the real world and modern science, instead of 2000 year old myths, thinking, culture and ignorance.
    FYI…the earth is NOT the center of the universe, as was believed in biblical times. the earth is NOT only 6000 years old, as the bible attests, but approximately 4.6 BILLION. the earth is also NOT flat, as was believed by those close to the word of god, as in the bible.
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  3. Rob Willox Avatar
    Rob Willox

    The assumption always made is that philosophy and theology have some additional validity when compared with the scientific process.
    Is is because it is purely a cerebral process primarily and doesn’t need an empirical base unlike science.
    Is it the arrogance of philosophers and theologians that appeals to the unthinking and ignorant in providing answers to these supposed unanswerable questions of our existence.
    Science is based on evidence and reason, tested and confirmed, rather than supernatural mumbo-jumbo by the foolish and ignorant.

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  4. Robin Edgar Avatar

    “For those who don’t know, Dawkins is a standard bearer for the atheist movement.”
    Yes, my own term for Richard Dawkins is pompous ASS as in Atheist Supremacist Spokesperson. . . To be fair to atheists I expect that many of them, possibly even a majority of them, would much prefer if Richard Dawkins had not set himself up as a “standard bearer” for the atheist cause. I am confident that some atheists consider Richard Dawkins to be a public embarrassment. In light of their hard-line dogmatic “true believer” brand of “New Atheism” Professor Richard Dawkins and his ilk, such as P. Z. Myers and Christopher Hitchens et al, can be quite justifiably described as being “fundamentalist atheists”, or even Atheist Supremacists. . . You might enjoy my adaptation of Gilbert & Sullivan’s ‘The Major General’s Song’ into ‘The Atheist Supremacist’s Song’. Needless to say a certain amount of Intelligent Design and natural selection was involved in this evolution of what is also known as ‘I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Major General’.
    http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-richard-dawkins-very-model-of.html

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  5. John Sutton Avatar

    What a nasty little christian you are. You display the same bitter malevolence we find in your putrid bible of the unpleasant and impossible.
    But why do I bother.Your comments reveal a superficial knowledge of Dawkins ideas along with a deep misunderstanding of their consequences.
    To deal with all of this we would need to take you back to your childhood and re-educate you. We might then enable you to free yourself of the religious misinformation which so distorts your world-view.
    I take heart in the knowledge that, although we are faced with hoards of indoctrinated religious idiots in the present, the mountains of evidence for a world without supernatural intervention continues to grow for the benefit of future generations.

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  6. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Boxx, Sevin, Wilcow and Sutton,
    I must say I admire your faith and the most feverish defense of your understanding of the origin of man. Faith and fervency as you display seem a parallel to religion. You see we are not that different…You believe in theory stacked upon, hunch upon hypothesis: all neatly wound together with a vitriolic desire to be right. You call this reason. I call it blind faith considering the mathematical unlikelihood of the evolution fairy tale. You present certain stereotypes of the Christian.
    You seem to think we all believe the Bible is a complete historical record. Not so, the first couple of chapters of Genesis are in my account a curious record of this creation. There are a number of hints in the account that would lead the thinker to believe a Day is not a 24 hr period. This theory is not to discount the ability of God to do so in one day or six, God has time on his hands or perhaps not.
    You seem to think we all believe the earth is only 6000 years old. Not so! Again, Genesis presents many odd references thorough that one may in a day of relevance discern a bit more insight. If these tidbits of intrigue were omitted the account may have been written more believable for the past generations…God could have been more box able and easier to sell.
    Although it is unlikely we will convince one another in the constraints of this media I want to bring one more thing out in the open. There is no question Jesus existed. His life and times were recorded by many other historians and such than just the Biblical account. There is far more evidence of his life than of many people and events that are not of dispute. I will omit the additional references to make the point, that unless you consider the evidence without preconception you will likely prove nothing but your lack of understanding.
    Why does the opening of the mind and evidence scare the establishment? I am sure this could lead to a new teat of grants.

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  7. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    It blows my mind why an atheist like Mr. Dawkins, along with his supporters who posted here, give a rat’s behind whether someone chooses to have faith in a divine creator. Why travel the country, like an evil Santa Claus, attempting to steal and destroy the faith of others?
    I also don’t understand why many in the scientific community believe the theory of evolution necessarily destroys the Christian faith? To us, God is timeless. The creation story was laid out in a way easily understood by the masses. 7 days to the almighty God could easily be 4.6 billion years. I believe in God. I believe in evolution. They don’t conflict with me.
    But Mr. Duke raises a good, oft glossed over point. Science can in no way prove how the Earth was created, or the universe for that matter. “Big Bang,” great one. What caused that? Why? Where did the single cell organisms originate? Why Earth? Why was Earth the only planet where life began and flourished? Are we to believe that a place of such breathtaking beauty, of such striking contrasts, which contains such a wide range of abundant life, happened completely by accident? And yet, couldn’t be reproduced anywhere else? Sure, there could, somewhere, be a planet like ours… we almost certainly wont find it in our lifetime.
    You can hold onto your science and revel in your lack of faith. Please refrain from trying to destroy the faith of others.

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  8. Harry T. Avatar
    Harry T.

    I’m an old man. I’ve traveled around the world. I’ve seen a lot of things. Some of them were marvelous. But none of them were miraculous. No talking snakes, nobody walking on water, raising the dead. I’ve been in the Navy and saw some pretty big ships. But none so big you could fill it with two of every life form on earth. And I’ve never see a whale swallow anybody either.
    But, I understand that there are those who believe those things happened. Well, okay that’s not hurting anybody I suppose. I think that there are a lot of people who go on this site who think that way. Often they are the same people who demand logical, reasoned arguments supported by evidence and chastise liberals because liberals think emotionally. There lies a big contradiction, as I see it.
    They believe all of these miraculous things happened because they are written in the Bible, which is a kind of source book for unlikely events. And mostly, they believe them because they feel that they happened. So how are their conclusions different from what drives liberal thinking?
    I don’t know. I’m sure someone could come up a high toned argument that the two are different. If you’ve ever been around any lawyers, you’ll know that a man can make a pretty strong argument for almost anything. So, it’s entertaining to hear the endless “what came first the chicken or egg” arguments.
    I guess what I’d like to know is; if you question the reality of a snake having a conversation with a woman or a whale swallowing somebody and after the effort, spitting him out; why would you believe the equally astounding (Biblical or) Creationist theory of how the world began?
    It just seems that some things make sense and some don’t. That is, unless you’re thinking emotionally.

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  9. W. Tieff Avatar

    There seems to be a recurring pattern of both the Left and the Right to single out only a handful of discreditory examples with which to build an argument. This only serves to make reasoned debate and the search for Truth more difficult.
    Now as to Reason vs. Faith, when argued by Science in one corner, and Religion in the other… it doesn’t help that so many people tend to subscribe to limited Sunday-school bible stories as the primary interpretation of Judeo-Christian record. This goes for either side. Really, how difficult was it 1,000, even 500 years ago to explain away nature’s machinations, both fortunate and unfortunate, as the work of a deity? Very. It took little personal effort to surrender all hope and malice to Providence and the Almighty, as there was little in the way of an alternative. Today, however, there is chemistry and biology and engineering. Great advances in scientific explanation, which serve to remove the mysteries that have both pleased and plagued mankind for millenia. And yet the canon texts remain, their lessons adhered to by millions. How could this be, when it is so much more difficult these days to invest the reasoned mind in the mutual funds of Faith? Maybe it’s because the more difficult the task, the greater the return of investment; made all the more meaningful, precisely BECAUSE of its improbability. But by no means should the investment be cashed out in favor of a dispassionate, clinical answer. That would be like buying high, and selling low…………… not very good advice.

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  10. W. Tieff Avatar

    As a correction to the above: “…the work of a deity? NOT very. It took little…”
    And BTW, some person who addresses the author of this piece as “Sir or Madam” shows little credibility, much less respect, when arguing against the words of an established (male) Voice. Internet or no, these words and ideas just might be self-evident Truths, and therefore should be considered diligently, not frivolously. Or dismissed out of hand. But that would only validate the author’s point. Haha……..
    Now personally, i can’t WAIT to be taken “back to my childhood” to be “re-educated” in the ways of humanist multi-culturalism. Sounds a lot like the Church of Christ that had no meaning to me because I was more enamoured with Legos and Transformers at the time……….. The spiritual and intellectual growth only came when I stopped playing with those toys. And now, i officially feel like “little Jacky paper”…. goddammit.

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  11. democrat Avatar
    democrat

    Richard Dawkins should stick to science and leave religion to those who believe. Why give God the time of day or the breath to speak about Him if one doesn’t believe? I can’t rightly recall the author’s name, but he was right when he said that it takes more faith to disbelieve in God than it does to believe. I suppose this is the reason that Dawkins and those like him love to speak on something with which they obviously lack a profound knowledge.

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  12. X Avatar
    X

    “Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.” – Guess Who?

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  13. ? Avatar
    ?

    Sounds like Volitare or Warhol

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  14. x Avatar
    x

    Close, but no cigar…Thomas Jefferson!

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  15. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    x, I knew it was Jefferson. The statement was the result of his anti-priest bias. This is why he mentioned priests whenever he made such statements. It was not an atheist statement – Jefferson spoke of God many times. Jefferson was wrong, but his attack was on a specific segment of the religious community. It was not on religion in general.

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  16. X Avatar
    X

    “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” – THOMAS JEFFERSON

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  17. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    X cut and pasted, The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” – THOMAS JEFFERSON
    Do you think Jefferson said this as a warning of moral decline, or because he held no actual belif in God?

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  18. X Avatar
    X

    Walt,
    Of course I cut and pasted. Would you be happier if I typed it out? No, I’m afraid he wasn’t talking about a moral decline. It was a comment about Christianity. I don’t know if Jefferson had a “belif” in God. He kept that “belif” close to himself. I know he wasn’t “belif[ing]” a Christian.

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  19. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    x, Jefferson often trumpeted faith. He wrote “Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth Extracted From the New Testament for the Use of the Indians.”
    This is from World net daily.
    “Jefferson’s outlook on religion and government is more fully revealed in another 1802 letter in which he wrote that he did not want his administration to be a “government without religion,” but one that would “strengthen … religious freedom.”
    The article is here – http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28006
    Not that I think the facts matter to people like x. That’s why he’s x rated.

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  20. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    X,
    Perhaps you should read the whole letter from Jefferson to Adams April 11, 1823 before you get too carried away with the Jefferson quotes to promote your atheism. I think you will find the full correspondence interesting. The quote the X-man so conveniently exploited was a small part of Jefferson’s rebuttal to John Adams regarding John Calvin’s doctrinal stances. Jefferson was not so fond of Calvin to say the least, but not at all an atheist.
    Sorry for the typo, you must be a high school English teacher.

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  21. U-Know Avatar
    U-Know

    Walt:
    Try this. They may have some adult education classes that can help.
    Home – Nampa Public Schools
    (Nampa) District profile, calendar, school web sites, administrative directory, district newsletter, board minutes, lunch menus, employment opportunities, …
    http://www.nsd131.org/ – 22k – Cached – Similar pages

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  22. X Avatar
    X

    Martin and Walt:
    Before you two believers try to burn me at the stake… now come on, if you can’t convert me, I know you would like to; I never said that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I just pointed out that he was not a Christian. Can you two at least admit that before you run out to gather kindling?

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  23. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    U-Know,
    Thanks, you stalkers are always a great help. You never add much to the dialogue but a help nonetheless.

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  24. U-Know Avatar
    U-Know

    Sure.

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  25. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    X,
    “…Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus. He who follows this steadily need not, I think, be uneasy, although he cannot comprehend the subtleties and mysteries erected on his doctrines by those who, calling themselves his special followers and favorites, would make him come into the world to lay snares for all understandings but theirs…”
    From a Jefferson letter to William Canby
    Jefferson was a believer in the “Christian” God. He revered and held sacred the teachings of Jesus. He had a big problem with new (for the day) takes on the Bible and on God. He did not understand nor find it necessary to understand the Trinity. It appears he was one that was truly tired of the cross doctrinal in fighting and over intellectualization of scripture. To consider him a Deist is foolish. The only God Jefferson ever considered in any of his writings was the one of the Bible.
    However, all of this I am sure is moot. I do not believe the intent of you posting the tid bit of the Jefferson letter was to prove he was not Christian. The thread you posted on in named,”Atheist Richard Dawkins’ Fairytale Thinking” you were trying to imply a revered American founder was an atheist and mocked Christ…he wasn’t…he didn’t …you lost.
    I don’t want to see you burned at the stake, and I would rather see you converted…I prefer to call it saved. But it is your choice, just get the facts right.

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  26. X Avatar
    X

    Walt says: “you were trying to imply a revered American founder was an atheist and mocked Christ…he wasn’t…he didn’t …you lost.”
    Walt,
    I do not buy into your notion of competition. I am not out to win anything. Especially in this forum, winning means nothing. What you would call a “win,” here won’t get you a cup of coffee.
    Finally, I repeat; I am not suggesting Jefferson was an atheist. Like every intelligent being, Jefferson was able to hold and deal with two opposing ideas in head at the same time. He admired the teachings of Jesus Christ but did not consider him God in the sense that you do.
    We can go around and around on this forever. But give me this much, even if Jefferson in his heart of heats accepted Jesus Christ as God, he would never trumpet it, force it on anyone or connect it in any way to the state in the manner that modern Christians do.

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  27. Mon T. All Avatar
    Mon T. All

    Okay, cut and paste quote people, who said this?
    “Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”

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  28. W. Tieff Avatar

    apparently it was Thomas Paine, but for the love of God, please do not just reactively invest an opinion in a simple, one-line quote without considering the influences and justifications for the fourmulated argument from which the quote hath sprung~!
    Clearly, the operative word in that quote is “Tyranny”. And any thinking person can reasonably interpret the foundational philosophy of Christianity, which is the power and importance of the INDIVIDUAL. The idea of INDIVIDUALITY is the sole antithisis to Tyranny. When organized Religion diverges away from the acknowledgement and support of the INDIVIDUAL, then tyranny automatically follows. Our soveriegn Nation also observes this view, as it was founded by men who upheld proper Judeo-Christian values. They structured the contract for limited governance in accordance with these values, and included additional safeguards against the possible “tyranny” of organized/State-sponsored Religion. And all of this was done 80 years after the death of Thomas Paine, which proves that his words and his works were well-considered by our Nation’s founding fathers.

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  29. Mon T. All Avatar
    Mon T. All

    Bingo!…A winner. The prize to W. Tieff, who although I’m not sure where he got the rest, was smart enough at least to go to Google for the answer.

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  30. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    X,
    Jefferson kept his religious beliefs to himself because he did not want his adversaries to use it against him. He stated that many times in his correspondence. Additionally, he commented on the absurdity of atheism many times, as a matter of fact he commented on it in the same letter you excerpted the passage from.
    I do not understand how you feel so hazed or forced upon by Christians. Have you been attacked by water balloons filled with holy water? Has someone dragged you into a confessional? Does our mere existence give you anxiety? When we quote scripture as allowed by our freedom of speech such as “I am the way, the Truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except thru me. Does that simple freedom of expression bother you?

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  31. W. Tieff Avatar

    Whoops! I don’t know where my brain went last night.. .
    Thomas Paine died in 1809, and was alive and well when the Constitution was ratified. I must have been thinking 1709, which makes no sense……. eh.. my bad.

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  32. X Avatar
    X

    Walt, I suppose I have to say it again: I repeat; I am not suggesting that Jefferson was an atheist. (And you know I’m not.)
    I’m also not sure you understand at all how I feel about Christians. But then again, you don’t care, you’re just fishing for that insult that will support the idea that the Christian Community is put upon by the liberal media (I’m not sure what that is considering the “media” is corporate owned) and by the old standby, Godless Leftists. But since you ask, I’ll tell you what I think (notice that I didn’t say feel) in the mildest language I can muster.
    I never really had a bad business or professional experience with any Christian. At least, not a bad experience that was motivated by or had to do with their religion. That’s because like everyone else, they say one thing and do another. They are motivated, like everyone else, by personal interest…nothing more. And on that level, as far as I’m concerned they are okay.
    However, when they start “carrying the cross” so to speak…that gives me pause. I just can’t seem to reconcile it with their other behaviors. It’s not really annoying. I don’t care about them enough to be annoyed. And they certainly don’t give me any anxiety. They are fairly predictable.
    I guess I find the religious component of their personality somewhat childlike. You know…Like a child is afraid to go to sleep in the dark, they are profoundly afraid of death. So they cloak their eventual deaths in mysticism and pronounce an after life at the top of their voices. This fuels the investment they have in what they call their faith. And that leads to some fairly silly practices that range from snake handling; to holding hands in a restaurant while mumbling something with their heads held down (which is really no different than rolling out a rug and banging your forehead on the ground reputedly.)
    So in the end, I don’t regard Christians with any sizable contempt. They can say what they please in their personal lives and I’ll support their right to say it. Although they do display a kind of passive-aggressive rudeness when they plug quotations like, “I am the way, the Truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except thru me,” in a conversation with someone they know is not interested in hearing it. It’s when they move the Bible into the political arena that they become a stone in society’s shoe.
    So Walt, I hope I’ve found that happy medium where I haven’t deeply offended you, yet you feel (or think) you’ve been sufficiently martyred.

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  33. X Avatar
    X

    Correction: ground repeatedly in lieu of “ground reputedly.”

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  34. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    X,
    You assume far too much. I really give a hoot what you or your coven (perhaps I assume too much) think of me. I have no desire to be “martyred” by you, nor any real need to argue with you. I simply wanted to set the record straight on m-man TJ. Oh by the way in the spirit of cutting segments and quotes out to make a point here is one. “…I am a Christian…” Guess who? I will spare the suspense, Thomas Jefferson.

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  35. X Avatar
    X

    Walt,
    Excuse me but, I don’t assume anything about you. You asked a series of questions and if you’ll permit me I’ll “cut and paste” them below for reference:
    ….“Have you been attacked by water balloons filled with holy water? Has someone dragged you into a confessional? Does our mere existence give you anxiety? When we quote scripture as allowed by our freedom of speech such as “I am the way, the Truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except thru me. Does that simple freedom of expression bother you?”…
    Sorry you didn’t like the answers. But, did you actually think you would?
    Perhaps you are more familiar with Jefferson’s writings than I am. I know it is argued that he said he was a Christian. But, in the broader context, I think there is more evidence to support the notion that he favored the God of Nature.
    In either case he was wrong. So, what does it matter…?

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  36. Watch Out Avatar
    Watch Out

    X,
    Forget it; you’ll never make any headway with a Bible Banger. I’ve never once seen one of them concede a point, ever. That’s the advantage of thinking that TRUTH is exclusively your province. Corner one and the next thing you know you’ll be looking at an exorcism or an accusation that you are part of a “coven.” (Trading one superstition for another is the only way they can keep their physic boat afloat.) Part of their game is that they will always spout their First Amendment right to speak in tongues. But you question the rational of their beliefs based on logic, common sense and collective experience and they’ll make it clear they don’t give a “hoot” about what you have to say. They certainly though want to impose their theology on everyone else through legislation with the notion that the moral compass of the universe is set by the gibberish in the Bible. So…watch out.

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  37. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Mr. or Mrs. Watch Out,
    Well you certainly planted your standard! You have a fully closed mind and are proud of it. Please understand my use of the word “coven” was as a touché to the belief expressed by X, that all conservatives are the same or that all “Bible Bangers” are the same. I do not make the assumption that if you are not a Christian then you must be a witch. I do not make the assumption that all liberals are of a collective mind either; quite the contrary. The liberals of today are a myriad of factions with specialized desires and agendas. Separate they hold little a common cord, or power. Together they form the democrat party. One area that commonality can be made amongst these strange bedfellows, since their agendas are not common, is a common hatred of Christians or religion in general. Common hatred has brought many unequally yoked people groups together through the course of history. I will stop there and let you inventory the past, draw whatever conclusion you wish.
    So the question of the day is, assume we are at an impasse; full and unquestioned. Is there a solution to such an impasse?

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    Watch Out

    Walt,
    It’s Ms. and there is nothing closed about my thought process. I was once a Christian and exposed to all that suggests. But, I grew up. And, I can as X put it, sleep in the dark. Forgive me here, it’s just growing up…that’s the answer to your question Walt, and the solution to what you call an impasse.

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    u-will-b-damned

    Ms. Watch Out;
    You and your demon boyfriend X may not burn as witches here on earth. But, you will surely burn in the eternal fires of Hell for your blasphemies. And Praise God, I’m glad for it!

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  40. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Watch Out,
    Since you have been exposed to “all” you must be grown up. I have not so I must not be.
    One question for my sake if you will. Did you loose your once held faith because…
    1)You don’t like the idea of a god in general
    2)Became frustrated by doctrine or religion (man’s interference, manipulation or extrapolation of scripture).
    3)Found scientific proof God does not exist
    4)Were hurt by a religious person
    5)Found Judeo-Christian principals incompatible with your desired lifestyle.
    6) Believe in God but chose to fight for the other side because it is funner.

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    democrat

    u-will-be-damned, who knows, you might join them in their eternal burn. you’re not God, so you have no right to condemn anyone for their belief, or disbelief. you should really be ashamed, and really, it’s people like you who make “religion” unattractive.
    And by the way, I am a believer who thinks that other believers should make God’s word attractive, not “religion.”

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    Watch Out

    Walt,
    None of the above….It’s simpler than all that. I stopped believing in God for the same reason I stopped believing in the Tooth Fairy.

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  43. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Dem,
    The “you will be dammed” guy is from your side. Christians do not wish damnation nor harm to come to people nor revel in suffering.
    Watch Out, I wish you all the best and certainly hope your search for truth was not as cavalier as your answer.
    TTFN Have a great Thanksgiving

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    X

    u-will-be-damned,
    Well Boo to you to pal. I’m more worried about getting singed from your hot air than the fire of hell which, of course doesn’t exist. Unfortunately for everyone, people like you really are around. So go practice your banjo…you’re not scaring anybody with your hot air and brimstone.

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    X

    Martin,
    I don’t want to be rude so; Sorry, I forgot about you!
    Forgetting about you in itself says something about the nature of your commentary. But, I’m afraid I’d have to explain it to you. And frankly, I don’t think it would be worth the time it would take.
    But, I do want to applaud the humor exemplified in your brilliant observation about me noted here:
    —-“Not that I think the facts matter to people like x. That’s why he’s x rated.”—
    My God, (not that I have one mind you) what biting satire: what insight; what piercing wit.
    “x rated.” — Just terrific. I’m sure there are opportunities out there somewhere for you. Maybe enrollment in a Bible College?

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