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By Selwyn Duke

In
all my life I have never seen such intense emotion surrounding a leader as that
evoked by Barack Obama. Even Ronald
Reagan, the Gipper himself, didn’t enjoy the kind of prostration of the will
offered to the president-elect by hordes of followers. Yet, while people the world over are imbued
with “hope” and chant Obama’s slogan “Yes, we can!” – for instance, the French are
using their translation of it, “Oui, nous
pouvons
!” – some of the intense emotion is of a very different species.

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It is fear.

In all my life I have never seen an
American politician who could make so many Americans’ blood run cold. Some may mention the left’s feelings
regarding Reagan or President Bush, but there is no equivalency. For all of leftists’ bluster and melodrama,
they weren’t afraid of those men as much as they, well, just hated them. Sure, leftist ideologues said those two
Republicans were scary, but the same people also said that each one was both
dumb and Machiavellian. Hatred is an
emotion, and emotion isn’t logical; it just conjures up whatever feels right at
the moment.

In Obama’s case, however, I sense a
real, palpable, go-white-in-the-face fear akin to what might be evident in
someone who has a gun put to his head or believes he has seen a demon. I know for instance, a stout-hearted man of
rough-hewn breeding and my political persuasion who has said about the
impending changing of the guard, “I’m afraid.”

However, he is a right-winger like
me, and just as with the leftist ideologues who “feared” Reagan and Bush, we
aren’t exactly a representative sample of America.

But this is what is truly, well,
scary. I have seen this fear not just in
rightist politics wonks but also in people who are not in the habit of
troubling much over politics at all. For
example, I was surprised recently when a woman I know – someone who could
easily abide by the injunction, “Never discuss religion or politics” – said in
a most sober fashion that she was thinking of leaving the country. Then
there is an elderly Jewish gentleman of my acquaintance who lived through WWII;
this man could be described as almost apolitical, was probably more apt to vote
Democrat than Republican and isn’t given to issuing political opinion, let
alone hyperbole. Yet when someone else
broached the subject of Obama’s legions of fawning admirers, he broke his
pattern and interjected, “This is like what happened with Hitler. . . .”

Then consider this statement
printed a couple of months ago:

“Big Brother had nothing on the
Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation
camps where they’ll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist,
oppressive place in need of ‘social change.’”

Is this the rambling of some
right-wing site occupying the dark recesses of the Web or a radical on a
soapbox? I mean, after all, it’s not the
kind of thing you read in the New York
Times
. Actually, it’s excerpted from
a September 4 piece
in Investor’s Business Daily (IBD), a
mainstream paper of great repute.

Are all these people
delusional? Are they simply stuck in
time and afraid of change?

Maybe it’s that they have some idea
what that change will be.

Fear can certainly be and often is
irrational. Yet, generally speaking, the
most real fear comes from real threats. A ghost story may scare a child, but not nearly as much as if he
actually sees a ghost. Imagining what
it’s like to have a gun to your head may be scary, but not as much so as if you
feel cold, blued steel pressed against your temple. And I sense real fear.

What is there to be afraid of? A good place to start is with the content of
the IBD story cited earlier.

Most of us have heard Obama state
that “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as
powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military. This alone is enough to send shivers up an
informed spine, but it gets even worse when you hear the specifics. Obama intends to use a radical activist group
he helped found called “Public Allies” as the model for, as IBD puts it, “. . .
his Orwellian program, ‘Universal Voluntary Public Service.’”

IBD reports on the inducements used
to entice young people into this national service corps and its true aim:

. . . they’ll get a monthly stipend of up to
$1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education
award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future
education.

But its real mission is to radicalize
American youth and use them to bring about ‘social change’ through threats,
pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of
community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

As bad as this sounds, I believe
the reality will be far worse. I’ll
explain where I think this will lead, but first we must understand a collective
psychological phenomenon that is now apparent.

When Abraham in the Bible was
prepared to obey God’s command and sacrifice his son Isaac on Mount Moriah, it
was, and this may shock some, understandable. God is perfect and the author of morality, and while we may not always
understand His ways, the Divine Mind always knows what is best. So the story is a lesson of faith and trust
in God. God cannot be wrong. You don’t question God.

Whether you have faith or not, it’s
easy enough to grasp that such deference is understandable when talking about a
perfect, divine being. But it’s downright
dangerous when applied to a human being. Any human being.

Unfortunately, while the deific
monikers applied to Obama such as “The One” or “The Messiah” have become grist
for comedians, humorists and just plain old wise-guys, they’re no laughing
matter. They reflect a real spirit that
has imbued millions, and this is why far scarier than Obama are his
followers. They have deified the man,
and you don’t question your god. I truly
believe that just as many Germans followed Hitler over the precipice during
WWII, there are many Americans today who would follow Obama unquestioningly,
unthinkingly, unknowingly – into the fires of Hell.

If this sounds as laughable as
deific labels, know that it isn’t radical to claim that a continually-recycling
historical pattern will manifest itself again and can do so here; radical is to
imply that within American borders the laws of man’s nature are somehow
suspended. In nature (not culture),
Americans are no different from the people who followed Hitler, Mussolini,
Ayatollah Khomeini, Pol Pot or Lenin. The tendency to deify leaders is universal.

With this understanding, I’ll now
give you my prediction as to how Obama’s Universal Voluntary Public Service
program will evolve.

With his oratorical skills and a
complicit media, the president-elect will be able to sell this scheme with talk
about security, equality and liberating the downtrodden. “It’s the best way to combat crime,
hopelessness and a lack of opportunity in the inner city,” he will say. “And I know this well from my days as a community
organizer on Chicago’s mean streets.” He
will tout how it provides health care, education and skills to the have-nots,
and his media-oiled silver tongue’s salesmanship will prevail. It will be sold with a low-end price tag, and
his fellow-traveler controlled Houses will echo the message and deliver the
votes. Of course, just like Social
Security and a trove of other government programs, its cost will make a mockery
of predictions. But Uncle Sam’s budget
projections aren’t designed for budgets, but for marketing.

As always happens with such groups,
program members will eventually be identified with some colloquial and catchy label. I can’t tell you what it will be, only that
it won’t be Brownshirts or Blackshirts. And the official name of the program itself may even be changed a few
years hence.

As with the Public Allies program,
members will have to attend seminars and “retreats” where they will be
indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Aside from learning how America is a “racist and “sexist” country, they will
be taught that she is also ridden with “heterosexism,” which, IBD writes, “. .
. a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct
of ‘capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege.’” They will be taught that these evils can
never be vanquished until every last vestige of traditional America is utterly
destroyed.

The pressure to conform will be
immense, as it always is in politically-correct entities. The corps will have a huge core of true
believers, who will act as ideological hammers. They will preach diversity but practice conformity.

Just like Public Allies, this
program may be birthed primarily in the inner cities. That is where Obama’s main support is, and,
as stated before, he will claim this is where the corps’ help is needed
most. It will then be empowered to do
“social good,” which could mean anything from helping at soup kitchens to
recruiting those ripe for indoctrination to forming some kind of neighborhood
crime watch.  As for the last task,
though, given the corps’ ideology and the fact that it will be drawing members
from high-crime areas initially, I expect it to contain a not insignificant
criminal element. It will be corrupt
from the get-go and may even assume the character of an organized crime
syndicate.

But its “security” mandate will be
chilling. In the name of combating
garden-variety crime and, more specifically, terrorism, who knows what powers the
corps will be granted? Will they one day
help enforce an order to seize firearms, if not via direct action then through
information gathering? I can’t know
exactly, but I do know the powers will be misused.

Over time, the program may be
expanded to include a corps for even younger adolescents, perhaps starting at
age 13 or 14. As before, I can’t tell
you exactly what it will be called, but it won’t be “The Obama Youth” – not
officially, anyway. And, certainly by
this time, joining it will be the thing the “cool” kids do, sort of like the
Boy Scouts’ evil twin.

Then, the result may be that we
will have, to use John Edwards’ terminology, “two Americas”: Those who belong
to the corps and those who don’t. But I
think I know which of the two will be more formidable. Remember when the student thugs at Columbia
University stormed a stage to stop Minutemen representatives from
speaking? Similar things have happened
at colleges throughout the country, and they give us a glimpse into the
character of the corps. Just picture the
same fascist-minded bullies, only more organized, more numerous, even more
ideological and far, far bolder. And
many authorities in the nation may tolerate their intimidation with a wink and
a nod.

We should also take note of the
program’s name, Universal Voluntary Public Service. One of the definitions of
“universal” is, “affecting, concerning, or involving all [emphasis mine].” And I
suspect the word most likely to be dropped from the name eventually is not
“universal” but “voluntary.”

Of course, they don’t call me the
Amazing Kreskin. I’m no soothsayer and I
could be wrong about many of the details I provided. But the fear is real and the historical
allusions are valid.

Speaking of which, Georgia
Congressman Paul Broun recently addressed the program and exhibited both fear
and a grasp of history, saying:

"That’s exactly what Hitler
did in Nazi Germany and it’s exactly what the Soviet Union did. When he’s proposing to have a national
security force that’s answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military,
he’s showing me signs of being Marxist."

Of course, many will nevertheless
say that such concerns are but the musings of the tin-foil hat crowd. But such scoffing is par for the course. As Professor Manfred Weidhorn of Yeshiva
University wrote:

. . . even if you are prescient enough to
observe oncoming evils, you are prevented from acting precisely because other
people, being normal, lack your prescience. They therefore see you, rather than
the evil person, as the deluded or warmongering malevolent soul. When Churchill
warned about Hitler in the 1930s, many people became more upset with Churchill
than with Hitler. The anomaly is that the prophet has therefore to wait for the
evil to manifest itself and thereby to make everyone else see things the
prophet’s way. But by then the chance to do anything may be gone.

So there is an answer for those who would say
“You’ve thoroughly Godwinned
yourself, Duke.” If you bristle at the
comparison and don’t want to wear the shoe, then the onus is on you to be vigilant,
to make sure it never, ever fits.

                  © 2008 Selwyn Duke — All Rights Reserved

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45 responses to “Obama: Fear and the Security Force”

  1. Shaun Avatar
    Shaun

    Mr. Duke,
    Your certianly not the first to predict something like this and now the possibility of it becoming viable is real enough. I believe especially as our population grows becoming more diverse and polarized such a volunteer force will be “needed” to squash “insurrection” and the like. However, to be completely honest I welcome things like this to come about as it will inevitably knock people out of their complacency and bring about conditions where real “change” can begin to take place.
    Shaun
    UCA

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  2. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    You’re an alarmist, and apparently full of fear. However, if you’d do a bit if actual research, you will find the following FACTS! 🙂
    Obama is referring to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps the could handle postwar construction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure–an idea endorsed by the Bush administration!! You all need to relax; it’s not going to be a DOMESTIC force–it will be used in OTHER COUNTRIES. In fact, the State Department is already building a force similar to the one Obama described. The Civilian Response Corps, as it is called, was launched two years ago by the Bush administration, after a BIPARTISAN vote by Congress and at the urging of Republicans including former Secretary of State Colin Powell. They are now recruiting engineers, law enforcement personnel, health officers, city administrators and other specialists who could be sent overseas to help re-establish government controls after a crisis. John E. Herbst (former ambassador to the Ukraine) is leading the project and he says, “Our military performed brilliantly,” but added that the troops needed the SKILLS and ASSISTANCE of civilians to help re-establish order. Herbst also says, “I believe it would save us LIVES AND MONEY in the long run.” So please, please, all you alarmist, and scared paranoid people–RELAX. Obama hasn’t even spent one day in office yet, and you’re all flying off the handle, and you’re basing it on nothing but fear and rumor.
    I think it’s a fine idea to have this kind of thing in place to help rebuild in countries which have been, or will be war torn. An additional point is that the Military isn’t always trained in the areas where help is needed. In other words, restoring electrical power, or clean water, etc. Our troops are being spread pretty thinly, and this type or corps will also help take the pressure off of them. The military is currently being taxed, with all our activity in Irag and Afghanistan, etc. What if,heaven forbid, some other military crisis comes along? We would need those troops to be deployed. This corps could then come into Iraq, for example, and then those troops can be sent back home or somewhere else. Again, I just wish that people wouldn’t get hysterical over something which would be a rebuilding, FOREIGN corps. And, whether or not you or anyone else is against it… it already DOES exist. At any rate, there will NOT be armed militia patrolling our streets.
    On a totally different note, he does want to expand the Peace Corps and Americorps, and also create an Energy Corps (among others), and I see nothing wrong with that. None of these other programs will be patrolling our streets either. They would be involved with Energy and Education (in the class rooms helping, not being re-educated and brainwashed; not being thought police). Obama’s intelligent and he has IDEAS. New ideas. Maybe even some fresh ideas. Of course not ALL of them will work–no one’s perfect. But I’m sure some of them will work quite well–but not if they’re not even given a chance… I’m tired of the Americans being so divided; I really wish we COULD work TOGETHER to do some positive things in this country to strengthen ALL OF US. Our peace and prosperity, etc.

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  3. HC Avatar
    HC

    Jason, pass the kool-aid buddy. You’ve overdosed on it. Why do we need a new “securiy force”? Isn’t it because the police don’t zeig hail Obama? What part of the comparisons to Hitler’s modus operandi were you slow to understand? First they form a fanatically loyal military wing, then they confiscate guns from the population, then they march you off for re-education. It’s not so hard to add up. Then again , maybe you’re just part of the problem trying to sell this load of marxist crap to the rest of us. The kids that haven’t lived through socialism don’t understand it and will be slow to reject it, but only at first until its too late.

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  4. TV man Avatar
    TV man

    “Why do we need a new ‘securiy force’? Isn’t it because the police don’t zeig hail Obama?” – HC
    Dude, remember Archie Bunker? You are him man! You are him…

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  5. HC Avatar
    HC

    Ahh the naive typical dismissals by a true believing child bought lock stock and barrel. What do you think Hussein means when he says he’ll change the world little boy? For all our sakes I hope you’re right about me and the other 58 million people who voted only once against Hussein. You should watch less tv and learn more about history.

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  6. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    RE: HC’s response to my comment.
    Did you even READ my response? Did you do ANY research to either verify statements I made? Did you Google “Civilian Response Corps” to read for yourself that this type of program ALREADY EXISTS? This is NOT A DOMESTIC FORCE. It’s both hilarious and sad that you keep making all these Hitler comparisons. When this issue popped up on blogs, I actually delved into it, and found some facts, and then drew a conclusion. You live in fear and paranoia. It’s like you’re shutting out reality, and only hearing the little bits and pieces that you want to. You probably still believe a lot of other misinformation about Obama as well. Obama doesn’t want your gun. Obama doesn’t want thought police, or brain washing. Obama was sworn into office on his family bible. Obama is a christian. And the list goes on. I feel bad for you, man. Anyway, as time passes, you will see that your worries were just that: WORRIES, and unfounded ones at that. Have a nice day 🙂

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  7. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Jason, it’s you who’s shutting out reality. What Obama is talking about isn’t the civilian response corps you’re talking about but a different idea altogether. Here is Rahm Emanuel (who Obama has taken into his administration) talking about this is 2006.
    EMANUEL: Universal Civil Defense Training… I think he had it at 18, but we were saying somewhere between the ages of 18 and 25, you will do three months of training. You can do it in your(inaudible). Some point in college you can do just that. There can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint similar experience of civil… what we call civil defense training or civil service… some sense of service to country in preparation, which will give people a sense of what it means to be an American. We propose three months. At the end of the day someone says it should be four more. I’m not going to sit here and hold it up.
    Here’s the link: http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/rahm-emanuel-discusses-formation-of-civilian-national-security-force/
    You sound like a naive child. You say Obama doesn’t want our guns? Have you examined his voting record? You naively believe these things because Obama says so. You don’t understand that he has completely lied about his record and goals because he wanted the votes of suckers like you.

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  8. HC Avatar
    HC

    Jason, ever hear the term “useful idiot”? Sad sad day in America but with all my heart I hope you’re right. However with all my brain I know you’re wrong. If they come for my gun I’m going down shooting.

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  9. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Jason,
    I pray you are right! We can recover from another Clinton or even Carter. I too am concerned with the civilian force “as large and as well funded as the military” (loose quote from memory). With such a statement and his past discipleship of Saul Ailinski and other “associations” concern is prudent. Perhaps our concerns are exaggerated by our required public school reading of Huxley, Heinlein, Bradbury, Orwell and such. We watch…

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  10. TV man Avatar
    TV man

    HC askes: “What do you think Hussein means when he says he’ll change the world little boy?”
    I think he means he’ll make it a better place, punk.

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  11. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    HC:
    Why, yes, there are several totally separate ideas. The biggest concern lately seems to be with the so called civilian national security force, which I outlined above. There are also other proposed corps on the table, which are entirely different. If you’ve done the research, then you know these include:
    * a Classroom Corps to help underserved schools
    * a Health Corps to serve in the nation’s clinics and hospitals
    * a Clean Energy Corps to achieve the goal of energy independence
    * a Veterans Corps to support the Americans who serve by standing
    in harm’s way
    Now tell me, HC, are any of these armed security forces? NO! Are you really that concerned about someone tutoring reading or math in a school? Why are you concerned about people supporting and assisting the veterans in this country? In all my research, these are the ones I’ve seen: Foreign Service (the so-called CNSF), to help with rebuilding, the Education, Health, Energy, and Veterans. Why do these ideas scare you so much? They are ideas so HELP THIS COUNTRY, not to hinder it. At any rate, everyone should realize that change in this country tends to be slow and incremental, with checks and balances along the way. It’s not something that happens overnight.
    As far as guns… he’s not going to “take your guns.” He very well may support common sense gun laws, which I fully support. One doesn’t need a machine gun to hunt deer, for example. Just recently I saw that a young child was killed while shooting one. Handguns? Fine! Rifles? Fine! Shotguns? OK! But a machine gun? AK-47’s and the like, freely and widely available? WHY? There is no reason these deadly weapons should be so easy to get. If you make a case that you think they should be available, I’d accept it, but still would say there’s nothing WRONG with REQUIRING a background check and waiting period!! If someone feels an absolute need to get that kind of weapon, then make them go through a process that makes sense. Why should some mentally unstable whack job have easy access to ALL of these deadly weapons? Well…they shouldn’t. Remember the Virginia Tech shootings? Unstable person with a gun… kills numerous people… compounding the tragedy… it’s avoidable.
    I’m not closing my eyes at all. I will be happy to watch and see what Obama does, to criticize or disagree with him, to question. That is, after all, the American way! However, the man is not even in office. And I definitely see a lot of fear, paranoia, and conspiracy theories floating around. Give Obama the chance to prove you wrong.

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  12. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Detail omitted: I apologize HC, as I thought both of those posts were from you. My more recent post above is really more for Martin, I suppose.
    I fully realize that both sides have lied; this is American politics, and that’s just about a gimme. However, if one digs deep, and looks at a few fact checking sites, you can usually find the truth of the matter. Sites such as http://factcheck.org/ and http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ … I wish you well. Don’t be so scared of new ideas. We will all be watching.

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  13. o-o Avatar
    o-o

    A reading from HC: “If they come for my gun I’m going down shooting.”
    Gee, you must really like your gun!

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  14. ? Avatar
    ?

    That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” — Eric Blair, aka George Orwell

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  15. o-o Avatar
    o-o

    Oh, please…
    Do you think HC’s deer rifle or in his case probably an assault rifle, with limited ammunition supplies is any threat to a trained military unit with heavy weapons and ordinance. They’ll “pry it from [his] cold dead hand” (I think that’s a quote from C. Heston maybe, you seem to like quotes) if he has a hand left, without working up a sweat. (No offense to you intended, HC.)

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  16. bye w Avatar
    bye w

    From Walt: “I pray you are right! We can recover from another Clinton or even Carter.”
    I’d appreciate it, if you would start praying for recovery from the legacy of eight years of George W. Bush. But, I’m afraid we are going to need more than prayer.

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  17. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Jason, you’re a good example of the ignorance of Obama voters. “Machine guns” are NOT readily available. It’s almost impossible to get one actually. You have to get a federal machine gun license and that is a huge task. The AK-47’s you see on TV once in a while are NOT machine guns. They are just semi-automatic guns that have a military look. And semi-automatic means that every time the trigger is pulled one shot is fired. It’s nice to know though that you’re voting on issues you know nothing about. It’s hard to support “common sense” gun control when you don’t even know the facts.

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  18. Ignorant Obama Voter Avatar
    Ignorant Obama Voter

    Martin says: “The AK-47’s you see on TV once in a while are NOT machine guns. They are just semi-automatic guns that have a military look.”
    Sorry Martin,
    Actually the AK47 has a selector switch that allows it to fire in either semi-automatic or fully automatic modes.

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  19. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Ignorant Obama Voter, your name is correct. Since you seem dense I’ll clarify. I was NOT talking about the weapons you might see actors using in movies. I was talking about the guns that actually are available to the public since that’s what we were talking about. Those AK’s are configured to fire in ONLY semi-automatic mode. They have no selector switch. Learn the facts before opening your dumb trap.

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  20. Ignorant Obama Voter Avatar
    Ignorant Obama Voter

    Moron (sorry) Martin:
    Look, you micro-cephalic cretin, a true AK47 fires in fully automatic mode. I’ve fired more AK’s on automatic than you have pimples on your face. The variants sold in the U.S. for wimpy-boys like you to play tough-guy with are remanufactured to fire semi-auto. This is done to comply with the law and so you don’t hurt yourself. (Beside you wouldn’t be able to hit anything on automatic anyway.) So, go change your diaper junior and when you’re grown up enough to have a conversation (and with your big mouth you’ll be lucky to get that far) write me back, genius.

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  21. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Martin:
    It’s telling that you find the need to almost immediately resort to name calling (Jason, you’re a good example of the ignorance of Obama voters & before opening your dumb trap…), instead of treating people with respect. I haven’t resorted to these measures and don’t plan to. Regardless of models or features, this still happened just recently (which I noticed you ignored) http://www.courant.com/community/news/ec/hc-boyshot1028.artoct28,0,418822.story
    And, I think it’s time to finally close the so-called gun show loophole. It doesn’t matter if the number of guns used in crimes purchased there is of a low percentage; if it saves LIVES, it’s worth it. Additionally, I don’t think one needs an AK-47 and the like to hunt with, regardless of whether it’s automatic or semi automatic. The ONLY point I was making to begin with was that Obama will not be coming (nor sending anyone else) to get your guns! LOL. I didn’t vote for Obama based on his thoughts on gun laws or gun control. That is such a minor issue right now, in the grand scheme of things.
    Also, I notice you didn’t pursue much further discussion of “the corps.” Are you familiar with those fact checking sites? I suggest you use them now and then. I’m neither naive nor a sucker, and don’t appreciate your characterizations nor your condescending and snide demeanor towards me. I have been nothing but civil and respectful. I’ll leave you with one little “opinion” : your behavior is akin to a kid throwing a temper tantrum — grow, mature, seek the truth, and don’t attempt to seek pleasure in demeaning others.

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  22. HC Avatar
    HC

    Jason you seem like a sensible guy that can be persuaded by reason & logic. Are you sure you’re a democrat? Some of your comments almost make me regret my initial reaction that assumed you were a leftist propagandist. But you jumble up so many specious arguments together that it will take some effort to untangle them all properly. I hate writing so much but as an America lover I will not go gentle into that good night!
    Civilian security force. According to American Thinker: “He plans to double the Peace Corps’ budget by 2011, and expand AmeriCorps, USA Freedom Corps, VISTA, YouthBuild Program, and the Senior Corps. Plus, he proposes to form a Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps, Homeland Security Corps, Global Energy Corps, and a Green Jobs Corps. Here a corps – there a corps – everywhere a corps.” The Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn’t count reserves or National Guard. For anyone wondering what does Obama need another 500,000 member civilian security force for? Perhaps this is the answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbIahmmqgM .
    Edumacashon. I like how you make it appear so innocent as if the public school system in this country isn’t an abysmal utterly disgraceful failure on all levels as if they’ve been under funded all these years. Wake up man. Billions of dollars already spent, and what do we have to show for it besides gay themed schools, social promotion, ignoramuses that can’t read and write, ebonics, metal detectors in schools, extra security guards, classes to learn how to put condoms on cucumbers, and wholesale indoctrination to grow another crop of dependant voters living off food-stamps and collecting welfare. Government has a track record already so you have to be really naïve to believe that empowering them further would produce better results. Do you have any idea how lowly we rate in academics when compared with the rest of the world? According to OECD 25 in math and lower than 30 in reading, even behind Mexico. By the way the US is second globally in spending per student on education. Oh yes, give them more money to hire maf tutors Hussein that oughta fix it.
    Guns. To achieve success he’s got to start by registering them and then confiscating them from law abiding citizens. The criminals though, they can keep theirs. We don’t want to hurt their feelings and seem prejudiced. Imagine how many lives would have been saved if some other students or teachers had a gun when the psycho from VT went on a rampage. Guns save lives. We need crime control not misguided gun control. Here’s some stats to open your eyes: http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/noframedex.html .
    Checks and balances. What checks and balances? Democratic house, democratic senate, supreme court hanging by a thread. Those fools in black robes actually gave due process to international terrorists who want to kill us or convert us. If that abomination Franken in MN actually succeeds in stealing a seat they’ll be even closer to a filibuster-proof senate.
    From my cold dead hand Obama. From my cold dead hand.

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    Martin

    Jason, the reason why I react that way to you is that people like you are responsible for the destruction of our society. You don’t really understand who you’re voting for but still you think your qualified to vote. You listen to people like Ignorant Obama Voter, when they lie through their teeth. To Ignorant Obama Voter, you just proved yourself guilty. Since you know the truth about Ak’s which is that only the semi-auto version is available to the public, it means you were LYING when you implied otherwise in a previous post. You are a LIAR.

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    Ignorant Obama Voter

    Martin,
    Can you really be so stupid? Just go to bed. Things might look different for you in the morning. “Destruction of our society…” are you kidding? Read something beside the wacko ramblings of Duke and his J.B.S. buddies. Get off this site. I am, reading this stuff makes me feel like I need a shower.

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  25. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Greetings:
    People like me are responsible for the destruction of our society?? Dear lord, and here I got up today, just like the sun, and went to work. If I knew society was destroyed, I most certainly would’ve stayed at home and slept in an extra hour. I guess I missed that memo. I totally understand who I’m voting for, and spent a good amount of time doing plenty of research before the election, and not just on the presidential candidates. Years ago, I would have very much considered supporting McCain; times changed, however, and so did he. Yes, I’m quite qualified to vote, and where do you get off saying that citizens are not qualified to vote. I daresay that MANY voters on BOTH sides do little or no research, and actually base their votes SOLELY on the ads they see and the propaganda which is fed to them. I find this sad, but would never want to deny them the right to vote.
    Yes, there are now going to be more democrats in office; at least for a while. This is because in this democracy of OURS, those are the people the citizens of America voted for. It’s actually scary to me that you seem to feel or believe that certain people should be denied the right to vote, or that certain people should be denied due process, etc. Do you want freedom in this country or not? I’m sure that the pendulum will once again swing the other way (to the right and the republicans); so many things are cyclical. Don’t be a sore loser. If you’re that scared or truly think that our society has been destroyed, perhaps you should check out some other places to live.
    I agree that the educational system in this country is most definitely sub par, but do you have some positive suggestions which might work towards making it better? Bitching won’t change things. Negativity won’t change things. Come on now, “maf” etc? That’s wrong. I do believe education is key, and would love to see more success in this arena.
    I have to say that after some of the language, and the attitudes I’m seeing here, that I feel that at least some of you are simply scared as hell because a big ole black (biracial) man got elected as President of these United States.
    Basically, I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. That’s fine.
    I don’t believe that I’ll keep discussing these issues, beca

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  26. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    There’s not more coming; that last part should’ve been deleted.

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  27. HC Avatar
    HC

    Martin, is absolutely right and I agree with him wholeheartedly. First off Jason, this is a representative Republic NOT a democracy. We vote for stooges to represent us and deal with the minutia of legislation. We don’t personally vote on every bill ourselves. Guess they didn’t explain that in school. Abe Lincoln said ‘voting should be reserved for those who bear the government’s burden’ (loose quote, couldn’t find the exact more eloquent one but if necessary I will). He also said “the constitution is not a suicide pact”. What burden to those welfare queens and entitlements leeches bear? How hard is it to go to the welfare office fill up papers, stay home, birth more dependant to increase their free ride, live in squalor and be happy like a pig rolling in its own s**t. Why should those people be allowed to continually vote for the party that will reward their laziness with a new entitlement that’s piggybacked off people who actually made the effort to earn a living? They shouldn’t vote themselves a raise off my back and yours. That’s not charity that’s a crime to lock them into state of dependency and laziness for their lifetime. Do you enjoy paying 35-55% of your income to your government and have them smack you in the face and say ‘gimme more sucka!
    From my cold dead hand Obama. FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND.

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  28. HC Avatar
    HC

    One more thing I missed Jason, did you really lament the fact that we complain islamic terrorists were given due process by the Supreme schmucks? Due process in America is for Americans pal, not for islamic terrorists from Afghanistan & Iraq that want to kill you or convert you, cut your throat and chant to alla. With today’s mentality we would have lost WWII. Wake up for crying out loud. Watch the Nick Berg beheading again in case you’re confused about our enemy.

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  29. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Yes, we vote for people to represent US, the constituents. You may also be familiar, however with state and local issues which are on the ballot for the voting public. So, both things exist. Again, you with the smarmy “Guess they didn’t explain that in school” comment. In contemporary usage, the term democracy refers to a government chosen by the people, whether it is direct or representative. We’re not in Lincoln’s era anymore. Hence the oft repeated phrase “we’re spreading democracy” in different areas of the world! When it comes to voting, let’s take the other end of the spectrum view. If ONLY rich landowners were allowed to vote, for example, how many new taxes, or tax increases do you really think would ever become reality. Taxes are necessary. Unpleasant, perhaps, but necessary. Our huge infrastructure in this country needs rebuilding, just as one example. I’m not suggesting a welfare state, or perpetuating that type of system. Welfare has been greatly reduced in recent years, and that’s okay. However, if you want to reduce crime and reduce dependence on ANY assistance programs, one has to reduce the poverty rate and provide EDUCATIONAL access. Many people in these low income areas see nothing but misery and drugs and death all around them. Put anyone in that environment, and it’s not likely nor easy for them to break out of that cycle. There must be opportunities, and I’m not talking about McDonald’s, at a wage which you might be able to survive on, but certainly can’t thrive on (you try it — work up a budget).
    Criminals of any type (terrorists or otherwise), should most definitely be dealt with severely and I’m not saying otherwise. What I am saying is, that the evidence needs to be there, and no one should be railroaded in any type of kangaroo court. What if you were on vacation, and were unjustly, accused of some crime? Would you just want them to throw you in jail and throw away the key with no proper evidence, no trial, etc? I’m not saying it’s a nice world out there. I’m not saying everyone is our friend. Clearly this is not the case. I’m all for aggressive attacks and/or wars when and where necessary. Now, having said that, I have a question: Do you think we made the right decision in the FIRST place to go into Iraq, or do you think that was the wrong decision and the wrong country? I’m not suggesting a quick pull out, because now that we’re there, we need to plan and really think things through so that it’s not an even bigger mess. However, do you think that we went into the right country, or the wrong one? Do you think it was based on limited, or poor intelligence at the time? Sometimes call for swift and drastic and severe actions, and others don’t. I think we’ve squandered an INCREDIBLE amount of people AND resources in Iraq. And tell me, what EXACTLY did WE get out of it? Did we apprehend large numbers of important terrorists? Did we thwart and destroy weapons of mass destruction? What was our purpose and did we achieve it? I support continuing now, because it’s too late, but I think a HUGE ERROR was committed by going there in the first place.
    I truly do think you’re freaked out because a black man was elected, and you’re going to fixate on anything and everything negative you can possibly find, whether it’s the truth or not; whether it’s one line, taken out of context, or something entirely made up.
    You seem pretty xenophobic to me. Have you had some bad experiences personally with people with different backgrounds, and now you are feeling particularly threatened? I’m just curious. I could be way off base.
    We have different beliefs (clearly), but that doesn’t mean I don’t love my country, and it doesn’t mean I’m not patriotic, and it certainly doesn’t mean I’m unintelligent or didn’t go to school. You may want to believe that, but trust me, it’s not the case. What I’m saying is, just because I think or believe differently, it does NOT make me a dolt, anymore than it makes you one. We’re passionate, and view different facets of things, and from different angles due to background, upbringing, experience, and environment.

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  30. HC Avatar
    HC

    When all else fails just whip out the ol’ race card and insinuate the other side is racist. How convenient, typical, and predicable. It’s not a black and white thing, it’s a right and wrong thing. The old line of accusing the other side of being racist when they disagree is getting tired and people are not going to fall for it forever. Abe Lincoln said “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” His words and wisdom are timeless and can be applied to all generations. I have no problems with blacks and actually wish Alan Keyes was President. The problems of the inner city are perpetuated by the inner city i.e. cultural suicide, broken family structure, and corrupt demagogues like sharkton and jessie “shake em’ down” hijackson, as beautifully articulated by Booker T. Washington in 1911: “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs.” How else do you explain the phenomenal academic achievement by Asians in America from the inner city other than by cultural upbringing, strong family structure, and emphasis on discipline? Don’t see too many Asians loitering the streets looking to swipe ipods from other kids while their pants hang around their ankles, with underwear sticking out, red/blue handkerchiefs/bandannas, and gangsta music pumping. Regarding terrorists, there’s lovely places vacation spots all over the middle east that you can go sunbathing with your AK 47 like Syria or Beirut. Don’t feel too bad for them we have a new AG that already has a record of giving amnesty to terrorists. I respectfully disagree with you but what’s great about this county is that I will always defend your right to speak your mind to the bitter end, as long as you help defend mine. Though, that doesn’t look promising with the so-called Fairness doctrine waiting right around the corner to muzzle the Right and free speech.
    Do not go silent into that good night rage rage against the dying of the light. From my cold dead hand Obama. From my cold dead hand.

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  31. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Just so you know, I wasn’t trying to play a race card, as you seem to think. I even said “I could be way off base.”
    I totally agree that the the loss of family structure has added to the many problems citizens in low income areas have. Yes, Asians have an entirely different culture, and also have a lower percentage of single parent homes. I think that even when you have a single parent who’s a good parent, it’s still very difficult. You might have someone struggling to “make it” working at a job, maybe even going to school, and also trying to be a parent. However, without HELP, it may be difficult to impossible to provide the necessary structure and discipline for their children. If they’re working, they can’t be there all the time to provide these needed things. This is where assistance with daycare, or after school programs, or mentoring programs come into play (or rather, often they don’t, and that’s part of the problem). If a single parent gains employment, and gets off of public assistance, then they should somehow be able to come out ahead, both when it comes to family and also finances. If not, the motivation to do so is low.
    I suggest the following: reduce poverty; increase early childhood education (headstart for example–get them EARLY and increase parent involvement); provide either daycare or vouchers to help single parents in particular; have drug treatment programs more widely available, particularly in drug ridden areas; teach sex education and provide birth control (teaching abstinence will not work, whether in the ghetto or in suburbia); improve schools (this is a tough one, and applies nationwide–I don’t simply mean throw money at them either–REALLY FIX THEM, and I don’t have the solution); provide more and better opportunities for higher education to those who want them; provide REAL opportunities for rehabilitation and education in prisons (no, prison shouldn’t be a country club, but it shouldn’t be a warehouse either, with people coming out the same or worse then when they went in). These are a few ideas. The last one is important, as the vast majority of people in jails and prisons WILL be released at some point. How do you feel about the drug war and the prison industrial complex in general? I feel that again, much of it is a HUGE waste of money. Yes, people commit crimes and yes we need prisons; do you think it’s out of control as I do, or not? Just curious.
    Education, education, education. Well, and a few other things. Can we agree at least that poverty, drugs and crime are still huge problems in this country that we would both like to see lessened?
    Thank you and please don’t worry about your gun(s) as much as you are; nobody wants your hand to be dead or cold. 🙂

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  32. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Jason, I don’t mean this in a bad way, but how old are you? You just sound like a starry eyed kid who still believes in the tooth fairy or at least the government fairy. It seems like you take everything at face value because you believe what you’ve been told. Obama isn’t honest. Some of the dems have said straight out that they’d like to seize all guns. If you don’t think Obama feels the same I have a bridge to sell you.

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  33. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Jason,
    When reading your post I was going to ask the same question as Martin. You appear to be intelligent which is different than intellectual or articulate (not saying you are not those either). I have a hunch you are in your late 20s and have no, or very young kids. If I was a betting man I would say by the time you are 30 you will consider yourself a conservative. You have a grasp on personal responsibility and the value of family so I believe you will come around.
    We older folks have perhaps a bit more life experience to build the skepticism we often display fervently. We are very critical of any government growth. Almost every government agency with exception of the military (that one is debatable) could be better served by the private sector…ESPECIALY EDUCATION! I will skip the rant on the daily conditioning camps we call public schools for now. Those of use who, for decades, have watched increased government involvement lead to greater system failure are at a minimum of the belief that the “Obama civilian security force” will be another tape worm on the gut of the taxpayer, at best. And at worst such an organization could morph itself into an American SS. Even recent history gives us reason to be on guard. Even if Obama is a harmless little fuzz ball that just wants to buy the world a Coke, do not be fooled! There are people that will see this infant SS as an opportunity to promote an agenda far outside the designs of our Constitution.
    Ayn Rand gave us a warning, “Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive.” Think about it…take inventory of the genesis of all of the inhumanities.
    We do not need a Civilian force of any kind…we can’t afford it and it impedes freedom…at best.
    If you haven’t read any Ayn Rand I would strongly encourage. Anthem is short and sweet, Fountain Head is long and sweet, Atlas Shrugged is long…even longer than it looks because she packs so much into every sentance, but a timeless classic.

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    A lot was said on the trail during the campaign. It’s true that Obama’s “civilian NS force” was his silver-tongued articulation of the support services that have been proposed and/or implemented by the U.S. Government, or at least those services not contracted out to Halliburton and Blackwater.. things like schools and infrastructure which should be the goals of any postwar efforts, so that we don’t have the same vaccuum of power like when the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan.
    Obama also said it would be better if wealth was “spread around”. And his Veep nominee told us that we would need to “gird our loins”.
    But as it is now, our NATION doesn’t have the finances to be able to afford any sort of civilian force, and there’s less and less wealth out there everyday.. and i have no idea what to do about my loins………..

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  35. sondra Avatar
    sondra

    To Martin & HC:
    Great arguments, guys, but they’re falling on deaf ears. By responding to people like Jason, you’re accepting the premise that these issues can be resolved by reasoning with or showing Jason the truth. You CANNOT persuade these people. They’re our enemies. We should SHUN these people. Turn our backs to them and castrate them from our society. They’re absolutely hopeless people looking for hope in all the wrong places. You’ll never convince them. The truth doesn’t matter to these people. They will continue to spew forth their ignorance and foolishness for all to see at every opportunity. Don’t give it them. Tune them out. They’re not worth even a moment’s thought. You’re just handing the microphone to Jason and allowing him to dominant an otherwise great website. Direct your ideas and thoughts to people like me — people just like yourself — patriotic Americans who love their country and don’t want to see it CHANGE into anything Obama has in mind. Sometimes listening to two or three intelligent people discussing ideas is the best way to learn and make up your own mind about things. You can’t force the truth on these people, but maybe if they hear it from a tiny corner of the room, a light-bulb might go off. Let’s go shoulder-to-shoulder, isolate people like Jason, and move forward. Soldiers unite!

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  36. HC Avatar
    HC

    That’s a little too harsh for a conservative Sondra and even too much for an acerbic crude guy like me. I don’t think he deserves that. He’s sensible articulate and seems to be genuinely looking for another perspective. Maybe he was just never exposed to this side of the fence and never received a conservative viewpoint. There’s a reason he’s interested in this site. He’s not one of those totally lost cause rabid libs who don’t even engage in discourse and try to shout you out. We need to face up to the reasonable ones and let them hear us out so that we can win over their hearts. With a little more brainwashing from us =) he might come around. Besides, I too was once a Clinton Kool-aid drinker myself living in a fog of myths & lies until talk radio brought me around to common sense and made me realize I’ve been lied to by a lot of people my whole life. As the famous quote goes “if you’re young and not liberal you don’t have a heart but if you’re older and not conservative you don’t have a brain”.
    And don’t forget…From my cold dead hand Obama. From my cold dead hand.

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  37. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Since it was brought up, I’m 46, and I don’t see myself changing anytime soon (sondra’s right at least on that one point). Yes, McCain and Obama both lie; isn’t that what politicians do? They are professional speakers and spinners, among other things. Positions on issues morph, and often compromises have to me made in order to accomplish small changes, incrementally.
    Guys, this type of corps already exists, as I’ve already stated. The truth matters very much to me. I find http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ and http://factcheck.org/ to be useful for cutting through some of the BS. For example, to rest some of your minds http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/
    I don’t care who “isolates” me; however, sondra, you may find it difficult in your daily life to isolate almost 67 million people. That just might not work.
    Frankly, I’ve enjoyed the discussion, and have even learned a few things. Have I changed into a conservative, no. You CAN fault me for thinking there would be more of an attitude of cooperation, or at least working towards compromises which both sides can live with; at least I hope for some of this in Washington in the next months and years. That’s the hope and naivety coming out in me. shrug

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  38. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Jason said,”You CAN fault me for thinking there would be more of an attitude of cooperation, or at least working towards compromises which both sides can live with;…”
    I would not count on too much cooperation since many of us, finaly recognize that is what got us to this point both economicaly and socialy. Cooperating with wrongness for the sake of good will is national suicide. President Bush bent over backwards to play nice with the super libs like Suds Kenedy. He bent over for good will and in return was butchered. Now he has the libs calling him an idiot and the conservitives calling him a lib. Our country has “changed” in a big way over the last 70 years…way left of its origin. Yes we need change!!!! A sharp right turn! That would make me a liberal in classical terms. This country is in trouble but not yet in pain…the pain will not be healed by BHO. Many will cry out, “John Galt for President! its our nations only hope.” Others will ask, “Who is John Galt?”

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  39. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Well, you have to remember, Walt, not everyone feels as you do. I daresay that not even every single commentator in this venue agrees with every detail of your beliefs. We’re complex individuals, as are many of the important issues facing us today. Everything is not always black and white, but filled with many shades of grey — to make things even more difficult, it seems that this country continues to be factionalized. It’s sad, because in my heart I think that there are things to be agreed on, and that the MAJORITY of the people in this country actually want many of the SAME things. I’m sure you feel otherwise. If there wasn’t cooperation of any sort, Walt, we’d be gridlocked and nothing would get done… so I still say there will be compromising.
    If you have any clear, succinct examples of Bush bending over backwards I’d love to hear them. Butchered? I don’t know about that, but the DIS approval ratings speak for themselves. It may just have been the timing of some things, but the people weren’t happy with him, and with ratings that low, certainly a large number of Republicans don’t have many positive warm and fuzzy feeling for Bush. 😦 I’m not trying to work you into a frenzy, but I do think it’s a valid observation.

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    Martin

    Jason, I believe you’re a man of good will. But there’s a problem. When did the left have an attitude of cooperation with Bush? He was called a liar and an idiot from the word go and was never given time to breathe. He was called a right wing fascist even though he’s very liberal. For the side that specialized in division to ask for cooperation is something that takes a lot of gall. I’m not saying that you were part of that vicious group. But it is how the left in general behaved. Also, compromising on what? You should read Duke’s article on how conservatism is dead. It helped me realize what’s going on. Every time we compromise with the left they come back for more the next year. They want laws against sodomy repealed. So we repeal them. Then they want special protections for homosexuals. So we give them special protections. Then they want domestic partnership benefits. So we give them that. Then they want gay marriage. Enough is enough! We’ve been compromising for at least half a century. Maybe it’s time for us to tell you what WE want and you to compromise a bit.

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    Martin

    Jason, a valid observation is that when the media is telling everyone for 8 years you’re the worst president in history, of course people will dislike you. I’m not crazy about Bush. But give me a break. The media can make you or break you. If you don’t understand that then you’re smoking too much of that wacky tobacky.

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  42. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    Compromises are made by both sides all the time. It’s necessary. There’s always a bit of well we’ll do this, or we’ll modify this bill and pass it, if you include this bit of what we want. It’s been that way for some time. Both sides get aggressive and passionate. I really don’t feel that the left or the right are more or less vicious. They fight with each other to a fault at times. But, neither you nor I can control every move that our elected officials make, no matter how much we might want to.
    I totally agree that it’s a nasty arena. That doesn’t mean I like it or you like it — it’s just reality. I’m only saying that it SEEMS this COUNTRY could accomplish so much more if there were LESS of this going on. This country has been asleep in some ways for too many years. We’re falling behind — economically, educationally, even structurally. We are now at the point where we need to make some of this up. Just as one (GIANT) example, our interstate system is nearing the end of it’s useful life. It needs to be rebuilt. There’s really no way around it. Our highways used to be the envy of the world, but they’re well on their way to crumbling. It’s time for us to take action — we’ve been lazy and have let things slide to long. I’m not blaming anyone, but I want to see this country be more forward-thinking. I’m tired of band-aid solutions for gigantic, festering problems which do, sadly, exist. Let’s take pride in what this country is, and what we can be and get up off our asses and make it happen. We’re no longer the best in too many areas, and I want us to be the best again in the areas in which we’re able.

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  43. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    I don’t understand why you think that it’s always the right giving in to the left. The left also gives in to the right. The pendulum swings back and forth…

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  44. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    Jason, read the article I mentioned. I found it for you. It explains things better than I can. No one really understands what is happening.
    http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/2008/02/conservatism-is.html

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  45. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Jason,
    Help me out here. Give me an example of anything in the past 50 years of compromise by the left that has inched the nation back towards its traditional foundations. We have been in a giant tug of war for the nation but many on my side of the rope have been sleeping or talking on their cell phone with one hand and pulling a bit with the other. You should hope we in unison do not let go of the rope. The pendulum has not swung both ways yet. America is far from home.

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