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My Liberal Fans Just Can’t Get Enough

August 18, 2009

By Selwyn Duke

So I see that the deep thinkers over at Sadly, No! picked up on my piece "All the President's Bigoted Men" and have much to say about me. That's right, not the piece — me. Their comments are an interesting read if you'd like some insight into liberal "intellectualism" (yikes, even with the quotation marks it's strikingly oxymoronic). Among the gems you'll be treated to are posts peppered with profanity and one in which the writer wishes there were a Hell so that conservative commentator Robert Novak, who just passed away today, could go there. Very, very classy, guys. I should also point out that such wishing of damnation on political opponents isn't even original, as it echoes the snooty, woefully overestimated anti-theist Christopher Hitchens' remark after Jerry Falwell's death. To wit, "I wish there was a Hell for Falwell."

Wow, being atheistic and liberal just seems so . . . so attractive. They just may win me over.

The little blurb about my article at Sadly, No! was written by someone who didn't want to attach his real name to his musings. Instead, he used the handle "Tintin." Hmm, I didn't think dogs could write.

Oh, yeah, I remember now. They can write.

They just can't reason.

However, I will take the inability to address substantively even one point in a 2500-word piece as an admission of defeat. In debate, I guess you could say that avoidance is the sincerest form of flattery.

Do liberals operate based on emotion? Are their offerings thus without merit and completely visceral? Are they the ones ridden with vice who poison public discourse with mindless ad hominem attacks and ugliness of the tongue?

Sadly, Yes.

(Note: some readers have mentioned that the name of the dog I was alluding to in this piece is "Rin-Tin-Tin." I was aware of this, but the handle in question was close enough so that I decided to indulge some artistic license. However, I will admit that I didn't know of the European comic strip character "Tintin," who certain readers assumed I had confused with the dog. I suppose you learn something new every day.)

Posted in Politics, Snap Commentary, Social Issues

32 responses to “My Liberal Fans Just Can’t Get Enough”

Paul T. Lazaro

August 18, 2009

I’m sorry you became a target for the Sadly No “Ugly Tongue:” they are the WORST! By the way, you are confusing “Rin-Tin-Tin,” the famous movie dog with “Tintin,” a character from the EUROPEAN comic books who used to get up to all sorts of intrigue. Just so you know. Anyway, keep up the good work, and stay true to your convictions! Are you any relation to David Duke?

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Singularity

August 18, 2009

I’m going to assume that the research skills you demonstrate by mistaking Tintin with Rin Tin Tin are the same you use for all of your writings and assign them the due amount of weight accorded.
Enjoy life, racist!

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The Raven

August 18, 2009

See what happens when you have a racist blog, Selwidge… er, Seldom… um… what the hell kind of weird name do you have, anyway?

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Zuzu

August 19, 2009

Any relation to Daisy Duke?

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tjproudamerican

August 19, 2009

Dear Mr. Duke
I am certain that your namesake David Duke also encountered opposition to his racism. A true hater like you will not quit. You look perfect in Sadly, No’s rendering of you, but I assume you have an Outhouse, so I protest Sadly No placing you in an actual working bathroom.
You are to polity and truth what Daisey Dukes (what a wonderful legacy you Dukes are building!) are to Elegance.
Why are so many racists also physically ugly like you? Does hate corrode?

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John

August 19, 2009

I find these comments disgusting. Mr. Duke is perhaps the finest pundit on the scene today. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Kafka

August 19, 2009

Good on blacks for hating white people- I hate white people too. I think most people hate white people- what’s wrong with that? Oh, I’m not crazy about Eskimos either but at least they don’t have pasty pale skin like the belly of a fish..

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Walt

August 19, 2009

Now you have done it Selwyn you have drawn the ire of the Jack Nicholson Wing of the New Jersey Mental Institution. This ought to be a real fun discussion; ad hominem and feeeelings versus reason, logic and Truth.
Leftists- the more vile, profane and emotional you get, the more our preconceptions about you are confirmed. If you disagree with Duke, please explain why he is wrong, using an organized argument. Contrary to popular belief yelling louder or using profanity is not a true means of validation. We are privy to your “rules for radicals” and it just won’t work anymore. So bring a brain, or stay on your site where you can all comment amongst each other about how stupid Sarah Pailin is and make vile comments about her kids.

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Shaun

August 19, 2009

Wow,
Selwyn you really bring about the best of these lefty bottom feeders. Is it just a coincidence or does it seem like every leftist position is defended with slander and insults. Can any of you responders( Kafka, Zuzu, Raven) even articulate what point your trying to get across without falling back to a kindergarten level diatribe? I won’t hold my breath.
Shaun
UCA

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ignatov

August 19, 2009

Duke: “Wow, being atheistic and liberal just seems so . . . so attractive. They just may win me over.”
We don’t care about winning you over. We just enjoy making fun of your racist scribblings.
Walt: “Leftists- the more vile, profane and emotional you get, the more our preconceptions about you are confirmed.”
We don’t care about your preconceptions. Get off your high horse.

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Walt

August 19, 2009

Thanks anyway but I will stay on my high horse.
So you consider Selwyn a racist simply because he is pointing out and exposing racists and racist behavior? By your logic one that exposes a lie is a liar automatically? The light Selwyn is putting on the true racists, Selwyn is simply exposing the truth. The only logical brand you can put on him, based upon the evidence presented, is that he is an exposer of truth. I understand you think truth is relative which is a whole other discussion, but based upon your fluid ethics, he is allowed his own truth and philosophically not damnable by your own Aleinskian model.
So regardless of how his article makes you feeeeel or how uncomfortable you are with his brand of truth, the fact remains the article he presented, although damning others as racists or bigots, does not proclaim or imply he is one. Facts are facts as painful as they may be.

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Shaun

August 19, 2009

Couldn’t have put any better.
Shaun

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Adrienne

August 19, 2009

Shame on you!

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yoyo

August 19, 2009

Now, while the phenomenon of black cultural conservatism is certainly exaggerated a bit, we have to ask, why would such a group vote Democrat 95 percent of the time? The answer is race. There is a strong feeling in the black community that the Republicans are the white party, which is no doubt why Screaming Howard Dean played upon this stereotype in 2008.
It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the republican party frequently elevates open rascists to key positions. Eg the newly elected head of the young republicans? or that republican party officials think sending hideous rascist emails is acceptable? or maybe that republicans do not believe in any policy that would help poorer americans get ahead.
hell no it MUST be because the nasty black people dont appreciate the godly largess of the republicans because they are rascist. I see. (thumps head against desk)

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yoyo

August 19, 2009

Sorry your system doesnt do HTML, the first para above is of course the words of the “not rascist” selwyn.

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Walt

August 20, 2009

Yoyo,
Since you came with an argument rather than the typical ad hominem response, let me say I am impressed; there is hope for you yet (lol).
You said:” It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the Republican Party frequently elevates open racists to key positions.”
Again your idea of a “racist” is Ingersolian, “If you repeat a lie long enough, people will believe it to be true.” However, to interject some fact to the matter, I will just drop two names; George Wallace and Robert Bird.
You also said: “or maybe that republicans do not believe in any policy that would help poorer Americans get ahead.”
If you think multi-generational welfare is helping the poorer Americans I take fundamental issue with that. The Republican Party was the party that killed slavery. Yes that was a lot of years ago, but the fundamental ideals of conservatism have not changed. In reality neither have the fundamentals of democrats. Theirs is, get and hold power through manipulation of the democratic process. In order to manipulate a democracy you need a base. Unfortunately for the black Americans they have been the base; used by the dems. The dems have kept the pork barrels full. The genesis of the term pork barrel comes from the slave days. Slave owners would keep a barrel of salt pork in the fields as a “perk” to keep the slaves happy; it made it easier to keep order. Although not free they felt privileged. Today it is no different. For six generations the dems have held the black community on their plantation with a pork barrel and promises. They never intend to get these folks of the state dime because once off the plantation they may enjoy the freedom and self worth achievement and industry brings. In addition to the preverbal donkey pork barrel, the leftist philosophy has rendered the entitled black man worthless, by replacing him as the father. With the government as the provider the need for a father is greatly diminished. The left, in many circles still claims the father is not really needed. This social experiment has been devastating to families as well as the men that need that sense of worth and the dignity it brings. This leftist philosophy is pure evil, and I am heart sick that so many people have had to suffer in order to perpetuate the liberal power continuum. After six generations why haven’t the dems made it any better? The answer is- it was never in the plans. Many naive liberals fall for the big bad repressive republican argument, but that is just bunk. We judge men by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I would be happy to have JC Watts or Alan Keys as president. I love to listen to the wisdom of Walter Williams and Bill Cosby. They broke the shackles of the left and achieved, no matter how the leftists told them they couldn’t. Now you call them -because of their achievement- Uncle Toms. Slavery never really ended for many black families, they just got a new master. Instead of working in the fields they work in the ballot box, to keep their lords in power. It costs their lords nothing to fund this modern day plantation; they simply extort the money from the people to feed their vote machine. It is a genius plan! Although quite evil.
I do not think the reason this dynamic happened in the black community had anything to do with their color or genetics, they again happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were a prey of convenience for the democrats; it could have been any group. On the contrary I must say that I have the deepest admiration for those that fight their way off the plantation as their masters call them Uncle Toms and try to keep them silent.
Hispanics- You are in the cross hairs of the dems! You are next. You or your family will be given amnesty, health care, welfare. For this earthly respite you will be asked to sell your soul to the devil. Your cultural family structure will be assaulted and within a couple of generations you will be but a group on the dole with a sole purpose of keeping power for the left. Run from this!
yoyo, I am sure by now you are fuming and calling me a racist; I am sorry I am not. However, I am an idealist and realist. I can tell you that I think the black culture, as the democrats have designed it, is failing and destined to misery; it makes me sick. It is not because of their race, but due to the lust for power of their father-god, the democrats. If any black folks read this let me say what you are told is a lie! You are not their property! You can think on your own! True dignity is not given to you by a politician or given because it is demanded, it is earned. If you want it you can have it, but you must not let them tell you can’t. You must not let them tell you because your skin is dark you must act or think a certain way. Let no man take claims on your body or soul!

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WestWright

August 20, 2009

Bravo Walt, excellent reply, especially the warning to the next group to be plantationed by the left.

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

Wow, we are really digging for something here, let’s see, you want to talk about the bad old days of the George Wallace and Robert Bird but seem to ignore a much more recent certain republican “southern solution”? Hmmm
I also believe that many people will never forgive the Republicans for their mismanagement of hurricane Katrina
Secondly, I wasn’t talking about the provision of direct welfare, I was talking about the priority Republicans give to tax breaks for the extremely wealthy, the hatred of unions and the antipathy towards properly funding public education. If there are two main factors that lift people out of poverty world wide they are provision of and access to, good education (particularly of women) and womens access to work (which means things like affordable childcare, contraception, micro finance etc). All things Republicans dont support. Yes, the lack of intact families is a distressing situation but you support the party that believes in criminalising large numbers of black men for minor drug offecnces which ensures that these men will have serious difficulty finding employment and supporting their families, and you are the party that denies gay people the right to marry and you are the party that doesn’t believe in effective sex education to limit family size for those who want to.
Let’s talk Hispanics shall we? You shill for a party that just cant speak on immigration whithout raising the spectre of tan criminal hordes streaming over the boarder to spread disease and committ crimes. Whenever a Republican figure tries to propose a moderately compassionate policy for dealing with the children of illegal migrants he/she is drummed out as a Rino. The attitude to a reasonably innocuous comment by Sonia Sotomyer (scuse spelling) was also instructive, do you really think that no judge before her has ever brought their cultural background with them in making them what they are today? If so why do you have Bucchanan calling for more Born Again Christian judges.
Finally do I need to mention Birthers? Southern white republicans almost to a man (or woman).
No I cant see why non-white voters would ever look askanse at the republican party.

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

BTW if the “outrage” over Sotomyer was not about her race and really about her bias why was their no outrage from the right when Scalia wrote, in the May 2002 issue of the conservative journal First Things, that if the Constitution compelled him to do something that was absolutely prohibited by mandatory Catholic rules, he would have no choice but to resign from the Supreme Court?

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Walt

August 20, 2009

yoyo-Although I disagree with about all you have to say, I like your style. Most liberals that visit here stop by and troll for a while not really saying much, and then when they get their intellectual butt kicked they go off the deep end drop some expletives and leave. Or perhaps I am just loosing my touch. I don’t have time to retort right now but I must pass down a little phrase I coined yesterday that I think fits quite well.
“Perception functions as reality, in absence of the Truth.”
PS- could you post a link on this Southern Solution thing you mentioned. It is a new one to me and if there is bad guys out there, I wanna take them out.

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Walt

August 20, 2009

And that damns him how? That only goes to prove the strength of his convictions. He never said he would hand a ruling down contrary to the big C because of his religion. He would rather loose his job than his soul…sounds like a man of honor to me. Did he say because of his Catholic experience he was wiser than everyone else????

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John

August 20, 2009

yoyo, you’re a bit confused. About your criticism about Scalia you have things exactly backwards. We criticize Sotomayor because she doesn’t believe in sticking to the original intent of the Constitution’s framers. We criticize any judge who won’t do that. but with Scalia it was just the opposite. If he was willing to violate the Cons, like Sotomayor is willing to, he wouldn’t have said that. He would have simply put a “Catholic” spin on the Cons when he thought it wasn’t in line with Catholic teaching. But instead he stands on principle. He’s saying that since he can’t violate Catholic teaching and also can’t violate the Cons, he would simply resign. It’s not hard to understand.

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Walt

August 20, 2009

Boy you spilled a lot out there; another classic Aleinskiian tactic. Bravo grasshopper, Lucifer’s little bro would be proud (sorry for the jab). Although I have a logical retort for all of your concerns with the evil republicans, I will just pick a couple to address tonight (I don’t have a book in me right now). First off I do not call myself a republican . I call myself a Conservative Constitutionalist.
You said, “I also believe that many people will never forgive the Republicans for their mismanagement of hurricane Katrina”
This one is easy- The Hurricane Katrina “fiasco” was a “canned strategy.” Well before the sun’s heat warmed the seas off the coast of Africa that gave energy to Katrina, the strategy to demonize Bush in this regard was in place. The left and its powerful propaganda machine was primed and ready, waiting for the perfect moment to strike. This strategy spent perhaps years waiting to be uncorked; many of its kind still sit in the war room unused. This tactic, is quite effective but pretty dirty. But what the heck, the ends justifies the means (wink wink). The first give away was how quickly and how polished the plan came off, a bit too perfect in execution. Secondly, why did Bush get hammered when the Mayor and Governor of the state should have been the first responders. What did they do besides ignore all of the warnings from the National Weather service and pleas to evacuate by FEMA? The busses remained parked. What were they thinking???? Were they incompetent? If I may interject a conspiracy theory (I hear those are all true wink-wink). Could have mayor Worthless and Governor Tweedle Dee, been in on the plan to exacerbate the impact; heck why let a good hurricane go to waste. Could they have, in the spirit of Herod the Great, sold their people out serving their white masters at the DNC? Why not? history is strewn with such accounts. So what if a few thousand people suffer or perhaps die, as long as the ends justifies the means nothing is holy; history is also strewn with such justification from statists. Why didn’t they act? Are they stupid or evil? Oh yeah but Bush who I am sure had nothing else going on should have dropped every thing and called upon assets that do not exist and single handedly rescue all that did not heed his warning to leave. The Katrina/Bush fiasco is bunk. However, since perception functions as reality in absence of Truth, the leftist media machine got the win. Congrats on that.
You said, “Secondly, I wasn’t talking about the provision of direct welfare…”
I will count that as a concession that welfare is an institution designed by the democrats to enslave.
You said, “you support the party that believes in criminalizing large numbers of black men for minor drug offecnces which ensures that these men will have serious difficulty finding employment and supporting their families”
Drug abuse is a symptom of idle hands and lack of purpose, both a function of the welfare state. Would ignoring the drug use make it go away? Perhaps you don’t feel drugs are a vice. Laws without concequences are worthless. I could add another conspiracy theory here but I will pass, as long as you pass me the Soma.
Last for today you said, “If so why do you have Bucchanan calling for more Born Again Christian judges.”
Perhaps that is what Pat thinks is best for our country. Is there something wrong with people with a predetermined and disclosed moral constitution? I am sure I will get the deist flip flap from you but I will say in advance you are wrong, our country was founded and thrived by born again Christians (thank you for capitalizing Born Again in your post, your respect is appreciated!).
Any how TTFN

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

Brain freeze moment I appologise, the policy was actually called the southern strategy, (southern solutions sounds much more godwin doesn’t it). I’m working too today actually acting boss lady for the next few weeks. Anyway a link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy. There are more nuanced discussions of this issue but it is fairly well known. If however you want to take the bad guys out as you say you could do worse than looking/campaigning against your young republican leader -Audra Shay not only nasty about blacks, also homophobic and fundie wow she’s got the winning ticket! Just one link about her http://gawker.com/5311792/young-republican-leader-audra-shay-is-crazy-illiterate-racist.
On your final comment, yes perception is much or as they say, the medium is the massage LOL. However, this is my point exactly. The PERCEPTION amongst people of colour and gay people and young educated people is that the republicans have become the party of bigots. i hope you can change that. Admittedly, I dont have a dog in your race, but I have a fair degree of direct experience with political campaigns and calling your own thoughtful people Rino’s while clasping to your confederate flag wearing breast Birthers is a death sentence for a goodly while.

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

Whoops sorry john, I would like to think that the crazy man might take a moral position instead he has come out with a series of judgements that said a) it’s ok to kill people even if catholic sometimes “So I have given this new position thoughtful and careful consideration—and I disagree. That is not to say I favor the death penalty (I am judicially and judiciously neutral on that point); it is only to say that I do not find the death penalty immoral. I am happy to have reached that conclusion, because I like my job, and would rather not resign.”
and b) it’s ok to kill innocent people if there first trial was constitutional. “This court,” Scalia pointed out, “has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a court that he is ‘actually’ innocent.”
EG the man is a weasel!

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

Not sure if your response is a POE? sarcasm is a hard thing to pass on in a post. Did you really mean this “The first give away was how quickly and how polished the plan came off, a bit too perfect in execution. ” So the drownings and the chaos were a plan?!? Are you by any chance a Truther? I am not meaning to be rude but really?
Here’s my perspective, from overseas we saw the worlds richest country unable to put productive rescue plans into place for an unforgiveably long period. Do I think it was because most of those affected were black or poor – no. Do I think it was because your governement was run by an idiot who appointed cronies like his mate Brown to the head of FEMA when he shouldn’t have been left running a republican toilet stall toe tapping contest – yes.

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yoyo

August 20, 2009

BTW, do you mean drug use like Rush Limbaugh or MCain’s wife’s not punished oxycontin addiction or do you just mean drugs you dont do?

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Walt

August 21, 2009

Wik’
“In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to a purported Republican method of winning Southern states in the latter decades of the 20th century and first decade of the 21st century by exploiting racism among white voters. Some analysts think widespread demographic shifts and the election of Barrack Obama as president in 2008 are signs that the Southern strategy is declining in significance.”
“A purported Republican method.” It sounds like just another conspiracy theory to me. However, even if a couple wildcat strategists that would call themselves Republicans contrived such a plan, you damn the whole party based upon such a far fetched conspiracy theory purportedly executed by a decimalized fraction of the fringe? I do not discount the fact there are wackos and devils in the Republican Party; such is not a party specific dynamic. The lust for power will corrupt any man of industry that does not hold a faith in and accountability to the Creator. Anyhow in the spirit of tit of tat rather than expression of ideology here are some little known facts.
http://realdemocrathistory.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/the-kkk-was-the-terrorist-wing-of-the-democrat-party/
Here is a real strategy you can study up on…this is why we fight the left so hard.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
And another “Gramschi”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/823368/posts
Audra Shay damned for an “lol” she will be purged, all racists get purged from the Republican Party. I am sure you would like to use this as a platform to suggest all Republicans have restrained on the tip of their tongue the “N” word; not so. It is good political propaganda however, if the ends are all that counts.
The gay marriage issue- Please look back in the archives of this site. Selwyn has written much and we have had heated debate on the topic. Admittedly a bit out of control at times.
Birthers- Can’t we just see a signed birth certificate (by a doctor). The only signed one I have seen is the one presented to the courts on Aug. 1st by Alan Keys, produced by Dr. Tatiz…It was from Mombassa Kenya. Why was BHO’s first act (Jan 21) to seal all of his documents? If I see smoke I assume fire and not a smoke bomb. It is better to be safe and embarrassed than wrong and watch the flames destroy everything. If evidence and perhaps truth matter here is the best link around on BHO’s past.
http://logisticsmonster.com/

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Philip France

August 22, 2009

Dear Yoyo.
My goodness! How woefully deceived you are. You have taken the illiberal talking points and swallowed them hook, line and sinker. You write well, I’ll give you that, so you indeed have a brain and modicum of intellect, however your socio-political acumen is inverted. Your logic is more twisted than Rastafarian dreadlocks. I will address some of your falsehoods:
Hurricane Katrina. It is a cheap shot to blame Republicans for the inept response by the Federal government. Is not nearly every undertaking of the Federal government inept? This transcends the political parties in power. The sad truth of what we refer to as Hurricane Katrina is a lie. It was not the Hurricane that caused the direct devastation. It was the collapse of the southern levee of Lake Pontchartrain. There was a plan in place by the Army Corps of Engineers to retrofit the levee so that it could have withstood a powerful storm. This plan was also fully funded. So what happened? Illiberal Eco-Marxists stood in the way in order to protect some snail-darter or some obscure species that no one had ever heard from. “Liberals” never accept blame for the misery that they cause nor do they own up to the inevitable unintended consequences of their actions. (Sidebar: I place the word “liberal” in quotation marks because “liberals” are not liberal at all. They are fascists. I am not speaking of benign go-along-to-get-along liberals {of which I have many dear friends}. I refer however to activist “liberals” at the leading blogs and leaders of radical and Marxist organizations like Moveon.org, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Code Pink, GLSEN and countless others).
More points: “Republican tax breaks for the extremely wealthy”. This is an outright lie. Every time a Democrat or talking head in the MSM refers to the Bush tax cuts of 2003, they add the words “for the wealthy”. This is an OUTRAGE! I am not wealthy (in terms of dollars and assets). I received the tax cuts, as did nearly all of my acquaintances, very few of whom are “extremely wealthy”. What is a further outrage is that nearly 50 percent of our population pays NO federal or state income tax. Talk about a tax break!
“If there are two main factors that lift people out of poverty world wide they are provision of and access to, good education (particularly of women) and womens access to work (which means things like affordable childcare, contraception, micro finance etc). All things Republicans dont support.” Another lie. I am not a registered Republican and I do not play one on TV but you are terribly wrong to suggest that Republicans do not support these things. What many Constitutionally-correct Republicans oppose is the support of these causes by the Federal government and they are correct. Federal involvement in matters such as the Department of Education and the HHS are unconstitutional. Support for these issues should be organized and funded at the local level where transparency is more likely and fraud less likely.
As for “women’s access to work”. Another lie. The most common denominator and predictor of poverty and crime is single motherhood. This sad fact transcends race, economic well-being and geography.
“you are the party that denies gay people the right to marry” Wrong again. Homosexuals CANNOT marry. It is impossible, even if a law is passed that says so. It is a lie. It is intellectually dishonest to call something that which it is not (something “liberals” specialize in). The union of two men or two women has zero potential to perpetuate the human species in and of that union. It is therefore impossible for this to be a marriage and also impossible for a homosexual household to be a “family”. Do defy this foundational principle would bring devastating harm to civil society as a whole.
“Let’s talk Hispanics shall we? You shill for a party that just cant speak on immigration whithout raising the spectre of tan criminal hordes streaming over the boarder to spread disease and committ crimes.” You’re batting .000. BOTH political parties are in on this one and for different reasons. The Republicans ignore illegal immigration (or, to put more accurately, criminal invasion) because they are beholden to lobbyist in Big Agriculture and the Hospitality and Gaming industries. The Democrats welcome the criminal invaders to empower themselves through the exploitation of the undereducated and impoverished. It is inhumane to give free handouts because they are NOT free.
“Finally do I need to mention Birthers? Southern white republicans almost to a man (or woman).” I’ll start by saying that I am not a southern white and repeat that I am not a Republican but let’s talk about this.
If you look, you will find evidence (some documented, some anecdotal) that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya. There is also evidence that Barack Hussein Obama’s name is not Barack Hussein Obama. My research into the subject (which is lengthy) shows that this man’s legal name is Barry Sotoero and that he is a legal citizen of Indonesia. It was under this name that he registered at Occidental College and as a FOREIGN student. You have ZERO evidence to the contrary. No one has seen any of his documents that would prove his eligibility for office. Nor has anyone seen his grades, his theses, his Harvard Law Review opinions. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Whose position has more merit, mine or yours?
Yoyo, the entire left-wing and nearly the entire Democrat Party (there are some exceptions and I know who they are) is built upon lies, deceit, falsehoods, misinformation and the withholding of critical facts. It pains me to see that an intelligent person such as you has not only been taken in by this fraud but that you also staunchly defend it.

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yoyo

August 23, 2009

wow, where to start. Maybe here ” Homosexuals CANNOT marry. It is impossible, even if a law is passed that says so. It is a lie. It is intellectually dishonest to call something that which it is not (something “liberals” specialize in). The union of two men or two women has zero potential to perpetuate the human species in and of that union. It is therefore impossible for this to be a marriage and also impossible for a homosexual household to be a “family”. ”
Leaving aside the ahistoricality of your argument, you are saying that marriages of barren people are “unconstitional”, same with marriages of older people. Bizarre. As you must agree there are two main forms of marriage these days. There is the religious marriage which is about welcoming a partnership into a congregation and there is a legal form which is to do with property and legal issues. How gay marriage can affect churches i dont know because there is nothing to stop churches from choosing to refuse to perform these ceremonies much as catholic churches do with divorced people. OK, lets look at the state version of marriage, having two people of the same gender is going to effect straight couples how? They’ll pay more tax, it gives extra protection for their children… so the problem is YOU think it’s icky. Therefore by your argument the state should go against it’s own welfare based on some older citizens gut instincts? Historically the rols and player in marriage has changes repeatedly over the past 1000 years, particularly over the past 200. As you should have been taught in the time of Dickens when your colony was a growing fledgling nation, marriage was only about ceneting the congregation OR for the rich to ensure inheritance rights. Since my chimney sweep has just resigned maybe we can abandon this idea of marriage.
Re Birthing: This is too tiresome to go through, if you can find orly tiresome a figure worth following AND persuade yourself it’s not due to Obama’s funny name and brownish skin I hope the disconnect isn’t making your head spin. BTW even IF he was born in Kenya his mother is a YANK eg he is American. (still can think of no reason a middle class highly pregnant young woman would wander all the way to Kenya to have a baby.)
I get it you hate him. and it has Nothing to do with sour grapes or the colour of his skin.
Just like your concern for hispanics is that their getting any handouts is “inhumane”.
Hmmmm.
Look republicans have a lot of ground to make up, the conservatives (ironically called Liberals) is Aus do too. but you will get their with arguments. What do you really propose? you cant get there donning white sheets and slipping into bed with crazy Orly Taitz.

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Philip France

August 23, 2009

Dear Yoyo,
I have read Orly Taitz’ contentions and I give them less credence than I do for the contentions of Philip Berg, Dr. Alan Keyes and Dr. Jerome R. Corsi, PhD. Which of these have you read?
Let’s get this straight. Your inference of racism is a childish cheap shot. You come off sounding like a 4-year old who resorts to name calling when losing an argument. I, and others who agree me do not hate Obama. We fear him. This is not because he is (half) black; it is because he is RED (as in a Marxist).
I have read both of Obama’s memoirs and contrasted them to Dr. Jerome Corsi’s bestseller “Obamanation”. I have learned the following:
Obama’s mother, Stanley Anne Dunham, was a Marxist, indoctrinated in her high school in Mercer Island, Washington. Two of her instructors gleefully boast of this.
After being abandoned by both his father and his mother, Obama was mentored by a card-carrying member of CPUSA named Frank Marshall Davis.
As a U.S. Senator, Obama exerted influence in the appointment of Islamo-Marxist Raila Odinga as Prime Minister of Kenya (so was Dick Morris, which I am very suspect of him and FOX News).
Obama has been less-than-forthcoming about his ties to Marxist terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. His ties to convicted felon Tony Rezko and Khalid Rashidi make him a security risk. In view of the facts, Obama could not pass the security clearance to be his own bodyguard.
What do you think the government takeover of GM, Chrysler, AIG and other banking institutions are? This is the Marxist nationalization of private companies.
Let the scales fall from your eyes and wake up to the danger that this man represents.

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yoyo

August 24, 2009

Philip, do you think that there is a single young woman (or man) who went through the university system in the 60s who was not taught bu “marxists”. Have you forgotten or never read about the cultural change that shuffled though that period, particularly through the tertiary education sector? My goodness, Obama is a centre left politician, he is not the 5th horseman of the apocalypse. Back to his mother for a minute, I know I cannot make you see reason but just have a LITTLE think. Do you agree with every political and social position of your parents? I know I dont. And quelle suprise my parents disagree! My military father is conservative, my immigrant mother is soft left. yet according to you somehow either Obama’s mother indocrinated him in some non benign version of communism and it stuck or his absent father indocrinated him in secret muslim men’s business. Now why would I think your position was driven by rascism when it is sooo obviously driven by logic and an analysis of family relationships NOT.

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